# Survivor 12/18 The Finale **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 19, 2002, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-18-the-finale/143777 "2002-12-19T12:47:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![dragongirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b38774/32.png) [@dragongirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dragongirl)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-18-the-finale/143777/1 "2002-12-19T12:47:06Z")
Who’s going to win ? Will Brian and CC beat the crap out of each other at the reunion ? I’m hoping that Brian takes it all. ---
**Author:** ![singular1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba9def/32.png) [@singular1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/singular1)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-18-the-finale/143777/2 "2002-12-19T12:59:54Z")
You put this up while I was resurrecting last week’s thread! I want Brian to get it, too-he’s played the game the best! ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-18-the-finale/143777/3 "2002-12-19T13:15:22Z")
Endgame is always the most unpredictable part, but this is Brian’s game to lose. Can’t wait for the show! ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-18-the-finale/143777/4 "2002-12-19T14:08:25Z")
Brian pretyy much has it sewed up. Jan is completely clueless and Helen lacks the backbone to ever make a move. Brian realizes that CLay is his best shot at the million. He is right. Probably the biggest landslide since Ethan. ---
**Author:** ![Mullinator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c2a13f/32.png) [@Mullinator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mullinator)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-18-the-finale/143777/5 "2002-12-19T15:08:09Z")
I want Brian to, simply because he has played it the best as shown to us by the editors. But, I have this sneaking suspicion Jan wins the final 3 immunity and picks Clay to come with her. That said, I have no idea how jury members would vote. Any ideas/reasons that would make one of the dearly departed choose one person over another? ---
**Author:** ![Morgainelf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@Morgainelf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgainelf)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-18-the-finale/143777/6 "2002-12-19T15:43:44Z")
I think Helen and Jan lost it last week. If they had bonded together to rid themselves of either Clay or Brian, they would have had a shot. As it is, I think it will be Brian and Clay at the end, and Brian will win because everyone hates Clay. It doesn’t matter if Helen or Jan win immunity, because Brian and Clay will vote the women off and whichever woman wins immunity will vote with Brian and Clay. They are sheep. I will be surprised if either of the women break rank to vote against either Brian or Clay, but it’s now too late anyway. ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-18-the-finale/143777/7 "2002-12-19T16:49:16Z")
Mark Burnett and Jeff Probst have mentioned a villian of “Hatchian proportions” this time around. I’m hoping for Brian to win it, and I could see that happening, but I wonder if their pronouncements are pointing to Clay. Everyone hates him, just like everyone hated Richard Hatch. No one thought he’d win, but he did. ---
**Author:** ![Morgainelf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/71e660/32.png) [@Morgainelf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgainelf)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-18-the-finale/143777/8 "2002-12-19T16:55:03Z")
I don’t know, **Kinsey** , I could see them referring to Brian that way. He strikes me as very devious. He’s said that Jan is disposable and Helen is his soldier. He’s very obviously playing the game so well that his teammates don’t see through him. ---
**Author:** ![monster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@monster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monster)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-18-the-finale/143777/9 "2002-12-19T16:59:53Z")
I hope Jan wins. That is all. ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-18-the-finale/143777/10 "2002-12-19T17:01:28Z")
Yes, you’re right, but the editing is playing him up a little too much. I’d prefer Brian to win, but it seems a little too pat. Having Clay come out of seemingly nowhere and win would really be a shocker. Having Jan win would REALLY be a shocker, although I don’t see her as a villian on a par with Richard. ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-18-the-finale/143777/11 "2002-12-19T17:02:51Z")
Ugh. If Jan wins, I’m going to quit watching Survivor. I’d be happy with either Helen or Brian winning. ---
**Author:** ![dragongirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b38774/32.png) [@dragongirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dragongirl)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-18-the-finale/143777/12 "2002-12-19T19:43:19Z")
ABT has their predicitons up. their boot order is Helen out first, then Jan. Brian and Clay as the final two, with Brian as the winner. ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-18-the-finale/143777/13 "2002-12-19T20:28:17Z")
I’m not putting too much stock in ABT. They’ve been way off this season. But I could see that (what’s in the spoiler) happening. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-18-the-finale/143777/14 "2002-12-19T20:41:38Z")
The ABT prediction page is a classic this week. It’s a pretty good parody of “How the Grinch Stole Christmas.” [Check it out](http://www.acmebraintrust.com/abt_f.php?kw=finale). ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2002, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-18-the-finale/143777/15 "2002-12-19T22:17:44Z")
😃 That’s great, Minty! ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2002, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-18-the-finale/143777/16 "2002-12-20T02:28:55Z")
I can’t believe Brian is being so incredibly stupid in his speech. That boy needs to learn some humility. Clay’s “You wood of dun the same thang” speech is way more effective than Brian’s “Hey, I did pretty good” opening. Aaarghhh! That boy’s gonna snatch defeat from the jaws of victory! ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2002, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-18-the-finale/143777/17 "2002-12-20T02:59:14Z")
Yay! ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2002, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-18-the-finale/143777/18 "2002-12-20T03:00:55Z")
And by the way, who was it who predicted Claywould trounce Brian in the final vote? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Jadis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/87869e/32.png) [@Jadis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jadis)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2002, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-18-the-finale/143777/19 "2002-12-20T03:34:46Z")
Ahem. I am now harkening back to my post [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2523224#post2523224), a good two months ago, when I said who I thought was going all the way. I wish I’d joined a pool. Woo! 😃 Having said that…I really think they need to completely change the format of this game. The whole stupid tribal alliance thing has _got_ to go. I would love to see one big tribe from day one, randomly assembled teams for team challanges in the beginning, shift to individual challanges later. I think it would be far more interesting to watch _everyone_ get to know each other and try to navigate alliances when you don’t know who’s going to be on your “team” at any given moment. Is Survivor 6 already done filming? ---
**Author:** ![KSO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@KSO](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KSO)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2002, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-18-the-finale/143777/20 "2002-12-20T03:44:12Z")
I’ve been trying to watch the damn reunion show but the tuberculosis patient who can’t stop hacking up a lung in the background is driving me up the freaking wall. AGHHHHH! [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-18-the-finale/143777.md?page=2)