# Survivor 12/4/08 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 5, 2008, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4-08/475794 "2008-12-05T01:56:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Roadfood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9fc348/32.png) [@Roadfood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roadfood)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2008, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4-08/475794/61 "2008-12-08T21:53:48Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I think the Idol has only been used once successfully since the new rules. Last season Amanda was the odd girl out, but she found a clue on Exile that said the Idol was back at camp. So when she got back she emptied out her bag to show that she didn’t have it. Then she found it before the council and played it that night, saving her. > > That’s what I love about the Idol, it’s not an ultimate get out of jail free card, like when Yul had it. He never had to play it because everyone was to scared to vote for him. Now you have to play it at just the right time. Ok, I had completely forgotten about Amanda’s use of the idol. But still, as you say, it’s not an ultimate get out of jail free card, which was my main question: Why do the players keep talking about how having the hidden idol makes the person so powerful? I think it does no such thing, because so many things have to come together in just the right way in order for anyone to make use of it. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2008, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4-08/475794/62 "2008-12-08T22:39:15Z")
It’s not “the ultimate” power – but always, having immunity is better than not having immunity. ---
**Author:** ![brownie55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f14d63/32.png) [@brownie55](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brownie55)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2008, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4-08/475794/63 "2008-12-08T23:48:37Z")
And just so everybody knows (realizing I am probably the only one that didn’t): The last show of the season of Thursday and the Finale is on Sunday. I learned this scanning my DVR settings. Also, thanks for the information about the FHII **singular1,** way to take one for the team. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4-08/475794/64 "2008-12-09T00:11:20Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I know. I was responding to **notfrommensa** who said, ’ Sugar has the HII then it therefore means that Bob or Corinne does not have the HII.’ > > This is true, as there is only one HII. (OK, technically the sunken one was hidden; but it was a ‘gimme’.) My point was that the first idol could plausibly have been purloined and hidden, just as Bob lied; so the fact that Sugar has the HII doesn’t necessarily mean that Bob or Corinne didn’t/don’t. I was responding to the fact that no one has tried to flush Sugar’s HII out. If Sugar’s HII was flushed out, it would be put back into play, and presumably someone else might find it on exile island. As long as Sugar has it, no one else can find it. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4-08/475794/65 "2008-12-09T00:41:44Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > I was responding to the fact that no one has tried to flush Sugar’s HII out. If Sugar’s HII was flushed out, it would be put back into play, and presumably someone else might find it on exile island. As long as Sugar has it, no one else can find it. Except they haven’t been sending people to Exile Island lately. I think that’s been over since the merge, hasn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4-08/475794/66 "2008-12-09T00:54:46Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > Except they haven’t been sending people to Exile Island lately. I think that’s been over since the merge, hasn’t it? Bob was sent to exile island in the Randy boot episode, Ken sent him there during the food auction. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4-08/475794/67 "2008-12-09T01:44:56Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > Bob was sent to exile island in the Randy boot episode, Ken sent him there during the food auction. So I guess that begs the question of why they didn’t send somebody this week. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4-08/475794/68 "2008-12-09T01:51:47Z")
Probst mentioned somthing like no one would be sent to Exile Island in keeping with the good feelings brought about by the videos from their loved ones. Of course their loved ones actually showed up at camp later, so that was likely the real reason they didn’t send anybody away. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2008, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4-08/475794/69 "2008-12-09T03:22:25Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > Probst mentioned somthing like no one would be sent to Exile Island in keeping with the good feelings brought about by the videos from their loved ones. Of course their loved ones actually showed up at camp later, so that was likely the real reason they didn’t send anybody away. Ah, thanks, I missed that. I skipped through the “watching your loved ones on a 2” screen using a tacky product-placement phone" section. And I still misted up when Matty proposed, damn CBS and their loved-one tricksies. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4-08/475794.md?page=3)