# Survivor: 12/4 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 4, 2003, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4/216932 "2003-12-04T13:54:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![CnoteChris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/278dde/32.png) [@CnoteChris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CnoteChris)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2003, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4/216932/41 "2003-12-05T15:46:28Z")
Rupert thought people owed him something. They didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![kka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/54ee81/32.png) [@kka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kka)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2003, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4/216932/42 "2003-12-05T15:51:46Z")
Are there just two episodes left? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2003, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4/216932/43 "2003-12-05T16:08:44Z")
I don’t think so. They need at least two more, to bring it down to F3. Then the final immunity, followed immediately by the final booting. Then the Final vote and the reunion show. I’d say at least three eps left. Maybe four. ---
**Author:** ![Fiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e274bd/32.png) [@Fiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiver)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2003, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4/216932/44 "2003-12-05T16:17:34Z")
Next week: 5 becomes 4. Week after that: 4 becomes 3. Week after the week after that: Final immunity challenge and vote, which usually leads right into the reunion/winner announcement. So, three eps left. We’ll be done by Christmas. ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2003, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4/216932/45 "2003-12-05T16:38:45Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Fiver \* > \*\*Next week: 5 becomes 4. > > Week after that: 4 becomes 3. > > Week after the week after that: Final immunity challenge and vote, which usually leads right into the reunion/winner announcement. > > So, three eps left. We’ll be done by Christmas. \*\* Not quite. I think there should be two shows left. Next week Five become Four, then the final 2-hour ep (followed by the reunion show) starts with four people. One person is voted out immediately, and then we have the final 3-person immunity challenge, which is usually some sort of endurance challenge. Whoever wins it picks who they want to go to the Final Two with them. ---
**Author:** ![JXJohns](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jxjohns/32/469_2.png) [@JXJohns](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JXJohns)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2003, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4/216932/46 "2003-12-05T16:42:33Z")
The final episode is scheduled for Sunday 12/14. My TIVO is set and ready. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2003, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4/216932/47 "2003-12-05T16:46:17Z")
That’s right! I’d forgotten about the 3-hour-final-ep-and-reunion-show. Three hours of Survivor… Good lord… ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2003, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4/216932/48 "2003-12-05T17:05:38Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dinsdale \* > > \*\*Has any contestant ever gotten as far as Lill while being so undeserving? This lady is dumb as a post, asking people to lead her along, and then falling into childish fits of pique. Yet everyone says she is so “nice” and everyone “loves her.” Yuck. \*\* Methinks you forget (perhaps on purpose – I know I’d like to), Jan from Survivor Thailand. :shudder: And of course the contestant most underserving of getting as far as she did, because she completely slipped under everyone’s radar the entire game, never doing _anything_ to actually _play_ it was Vecepia from Survivor Marquesas. But at least she wasn’t so extraordinarily moronic and unlikeable as either Jan or this twit, Lil. Let’s not even go there with that wanna-be-quitter, Jenna. :mad: As much as I despise Jon, if I were a jury member and it came down to a final two of Jon and either of the Outcasts, Jon gets my vote without hesitation. The outcasts don’t even deserve to be _in_ the game anymore. I’d be damned if I’d vote to let one of them _win_ it. No way in hell. ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2003, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4/216932/49 "2003-12-05T17:11:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Shayna \* > \*\*Methinks you forget (perhaps on purpose – I know I’d like to), Jan from Survivor Thailand. :shudder: \*\* Oh, I think Lil is **much more** unlikeable than Jan. Jan was sort of like your batty old auntie. Lil is just… disagreeable. As I mentioned in my previous post, when she screws up her face in a pout like a petulant child, I just want to smack her. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2003, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4/216932/50 "2003-12-05T17:15:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BiblioCat \* > **And I wish Lil would cut her pants off. Then she wouldn’t have to compete in challenges in her panties. I can’t for the life of me figure out why she doesn’t do that.** I was eating dinner while watching the show and lost my appetite during the reward challenge when Lil’s panties were on display. Ugh. The upside is that part of their reward was that the winners (Jon, Darrah, and **Lil** ) were given their swimsuits back. I pray to GOD that Lil’s swimsuit isn’t a bikini! ---
**Author:** ![lisacurl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/41988e/32.png) [@lisacurl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisacurl)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2003, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4/216932/51 "2003-12-05T17:21:45Z")
I found myself contorting my face last night trying to figure out how Lill manages to frown and look exactly like a tragedy mask. I am physically incapable of pulling my lips into that perfect upside-down U. It’s more exaggerated than our frownie icon ☹ I’ve never seen anyone do that so naturally. I bet she made that face when she was about three years old and someone thought it was cute. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2003, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4/216932/52 "2003-12-05T17:57:47Z")
Jon is a disgusting excuse for a human being. But what bothers me most is that the others don’t see it and boot him out. I can’t believe no one supsected he was lying about the grandmother bit. He’s the kind of guy I’d like to see mouthing off in a bar and then getting the shit kicked out of. He might win, by taking someone like Lil with him to the final 2. Then he stands up in front of the whole jury and comes completely clean about his whole strategy, including the grandmother tactic. He hopes they see him as a master strategist, and not an utter scumbag. Lil is the kind of person who does well once the tribes merge. She’s just so out of it that there’s no reason to get rid of her. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2003, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4/216932/53 "2003-12-05T17:59:14Z")
**Amanita** , good call on Lil’s face. The folks on Television without Pity have called her Beaker (like the muppet), and it fits soooo well… I think they went overboard in calling her husband Corky, though. They can be REALLY mean over there. ---
**Author:** ![Zazie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Zazie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zazie)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2003, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4/216932/54 "2003-12-05T18:10:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by John Mace \* > \*\*Jon is a disgusting excuse for a human being. […]. He’s the kind of guy I’d like to see mouthing off in a bar and then getting the shit kicked out of. \*\* Ohhhhh you just expressed my exact thoughts… thank you John Mace. ---
**Author:** ![shelbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@shelbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shelbo)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2003, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4/216932/55 "2003-12-05T18:47:49Z")
Chiming in to say that I, too, had Lil. Yeech. ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2003, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4/216932/56 "2003-12-05T18:48:31Z")
Eww, you **had** her? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Brad\_Pittiful](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b3f665/32.png) [@Brad\_Pittiful](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brad_Pittiful)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2003, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4/216932/57 "2003-12-05T19:00:11Z")
jon could be the best player evAr!!!..i hope he dont win…that would be funny…just think if you swap skinny ryan with jon…jon wouldnt have been around after the first couple shows…the morgan tribe wouldve dumped his weak little body for sure ---
**Author:** ![PigArcher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/bcef8e/32.png) [@PigArcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PigArcher)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2003, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4/216932/58 "2003-12-05T19:38:03Z")
Yeah, but then the Outcasts would have voted him back in to punish the survivors… and to get his obnoxious ass out of Loser Lodge. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2003, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4/216932/59 "2003-12-05T19:58:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Zazie \* > \*\*Ohhhhh you just expressed my exact thoughts… thank you John Mace. \*\* Or, better yet, perhaps we can arrange to have Jonny-boy convicted of child abuse and sent to the pen. The prison tribal council would have a nice little vote in store for him and that would wipe the smirk off his face pretty fast! ---
**Author:** ![shelbo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/3d9bf3/32.png) [@shelbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shelbo)\ **Post date:** [December 5, 2003, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4/216932/60 "2003-12-05T21:59:26Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by BiblioCat \* > \*\*Eww, you **had** her? > 😉 \*\* EWWWWWW! No, no, I meant to say haTE her. But my freudian slip was showing, or something. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4/216932.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-12-4/216932.md?page=4)