# Survivor 2/27 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 27, 2003, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-27/157903 "2003-02-27T16:07:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-27/157903/41 "2003-02-28T17:32:00Z")
**Ferrous** : Um… they’re down two guys. Ryan and Daniel, the last pair across the balance beam, are both out now. Also, I don’t think Jeff would be giving them such a hard time about it if they hadn’t been so blatantly Neanderthalic about it all along. ---
**Author:** ![SkeptiJess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea666f/32.png) [@SkeptiJess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkeptiJess)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-27/157903/42 "2003-02-28T17:42:49Z")
Every week I find myself disliking the split gender thing more and more. It really seems to bring out a junior-high vibe that previous versions have, mercifully, lacked. Could be the editing, I suppose, but the “sexual tension,” for lack of a better, term, is something I can totally live without. I find it sort of amusing in the guys (because I find young, dumb, dick-thinking guys kind of cute) but absolutely infuriating in the girls. I was embarrassed for Jenna at the challenge. Really, this whole episode, I just wanted to crack Jenna and Heidi’s heads together – Heidi’s comments in the bath? Puh-leeze! Someone needs to tell that little split-tail than there is nothing more fleeting than that moment when a woman can coast on “pretty young girl.” It lasts no more than a decade, if you’re lucky and, at 24, her decade is more than half over. The look on the faces of “older girls” that she interprets as jealousy over her sexiness is actually the same embarrassment I felt over Jenna’s flirting – that, “Sheesh! You’re making our gender look bad” squirm. Of course, maybe this is just all “old girl” bitterness over Heidi and Jenna’s amazing augmented racks… Maybe I’m just jealous, huh? Jess ---
**Author:** ![Ferrous](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8e7dd6/32.png) [@Ferrous](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferrous)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-27/157903/43 "2003-02-28T17:51:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ethilrist \* > **Ferrous: Um… they’re down two guys. Ryan and Daniel, the last pair across the balance beam, are both out now.** I meant that they’re down one to the girls—they have one less player than the other team. > [@](#): > > \*\*Also, I don’t think Jeff would be giving them such a hard time about it if they hadn’t been so blatantly Neanderthalic about it all along. \*\* Yeah, that’s what makes it so funny. 🙂 But Jeff also baits them into that sort of behavior. Last time he encouraged them to talk about who they thought was hot (not that they need much encouragement), and then chastised them for not having their minds on the game. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-27/157903/44 "2003-02-28T17:52:50Z")
> [@](#): > > Heidi and Jenna’s amazing augmented racks Heidi I’ll give you, but Jenna’s look very much natural. ---
**Author:** ![bayonet1976](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/77aa72/32.png) [@bayonet1976](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bayonet1976)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-27/157903/45 "2003-02-28T18:01:30Z")
After last night’s episode I’m referring to the Heidi, Jenna, Shawna group as the Boob Alliance (BA). ---
**Author:** ![djbdjb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@djbdjb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/djbdjb)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-27/157903/46 "2003-02-28T18:49:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > \*\* > Deena is doing a good job leading the girls, which may well lead Jeanne’s scheme to backfire on her. > \*\* This is precisely what I thought. I think the 3 in the boob-alliance will align with Deena and pick off Christy, Jeanne, and JoAnna. Christy and JoAnna don’t like each other; Episode 2 had some tension between Christy and Deena; Jeanne is plotting against Deena. Thus, I can’t see CJJ getting a 4th person to vote with them. The 3 BA’s will keep Deena around for a while, and it will be deadly for them. Deena will make the merge, where she will be a kingmaker. The young guys will glom onto the remaining BA’s and become an obvious bloc. Deena will float around to whatever group she needs to pick it apart. I think Dan sealed his fate when he “played the race card”. He put Rob, Matt, Alex and Dave into a game-theoretic situation called Stag Hunt. [http://www.heretical.com/games/staghunt.html](http://www.heretical.com/games/staghunt.html) (Hunting Stag is voting Roger off, hunting hare is voting Dan). They might have been willing to vote for Roger, but after Dan’s statement, they all had doubts about others in the bloc (assuming there was one). With no time to communicate and no one wanting to be the only guy supporting Dan, they all switched their votes to send him off 6-1. Either that or maybe he was even more sullen and lazy than the program has shown (which was not that bad to my mind). I want to say it again, I think there will be less inter-tribal loyalty on this show than any of the previous. ---
**Author:** ![Indygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@Indygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indygrrl)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-27/157903/47 "2003-02-28T18:51:17Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dinsdale \* > \*\* Would guys really prefer to play with pendulous sacks of saline than natural boobs however small? Let’s check in in 30, when they are hanging around her knees. \*\* Um, if they’re not real they’re certainly not going to be drooping by the time she’s 30. They probably won’t even be “hanging around her knees” when she’s 60. Part of the reason women get boob jobs is to prevent that type of sagging. That said, I think her tits look fab. ---
**Author:** ![GargoyleWB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gargoylewb/32/199_2.png) [@GargoyleWB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GargoyleWB)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-27/157903/48 "2003-02-28T19:27:41Z")
“Part of the reason women get boob jobs is to prevent that type of sagging.” I had always understood the opposite, it is mass and gravity that causes the sag, and the sag comes from the stretching of the skin at the boob-chest boundary, and the implant (in Heidi’s case) lies in the boob proper, and not under the chest muscle. Simple physics, add more mass, you’ll get more sag over time. ---
**Author:** ![Indygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@Indygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indygrrl)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-27/157903/49 "2003-02-28T20:07:43Z")
I don’t know if Heidi’s is over or under the muscle. Mine are under the muscle and they are in no danger of sagging. The implant perks the boob up a lot. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2003, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-27/157903/50 "2003-02-28T22:37:14Z")
You know, Probst is not above fixing up the challenges so that the girls have an advantage- it’d be real boring if the guys just kicked butt every single challenge. Oh, I don’t mean out & out cheating, but note there hasn’t been one challenge yet that was 100% physical- and there were planty in earlier Survivors. He also seems to judge the “underdogs” a bit easier, and gets hard-assed on the favorites. However, midway thru, he really telegraphed the ending- when you get a lot of clips where one tribe is discussing who to vote out, they are almost certain to be at “tribal council” that episode. Also- if someone gets a lot of camera coverage, they seem to be the next off. Sometimes two players will get that treatment, then you can bet the vote is between them. But man, I’ll admit the girls needed a leader and BAD. And Deena has done real well at it. ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2003, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-27/157903/51 "2003-03-01T00:20:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by DrDeth \* > \*\*You know, Probst is not above fixing up the challenges so that the girls have an advantage- it’d be real boring if the guys just kicked butt every single challenge. … > > But man, I’ll admit the girls needed a leader and BAD. And Deena has done real well at it. \*\* I don’t know if it would be considered “cheating” or not, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Probst or Mark Burnett or one of the other producers went to the girls as a group or even individually and told them to get their shit together and do something worthwhile. They were just floundering around washing their undies and then all of a sudden it occured to them to elect a leader and start delegating jobs? Sounds (to me) like someone set them straight. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2003, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-27/157903/52 "2003-03-01T01:15:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dinsdale \* > Hey **minty** - how’d you get 4 sips? I only counted 2 from Joanna’s mouth - tho additional references from other players. Ya gotta figger her preaching must be pretty obvious if the other tribe is commenting on it. Two or three of them came in quick succession during the fishing scenes. _“I got one! Thank you Jesus!” “Hey, nice fish, Joanna.” “Hallelujia, thank you, Lord!”_ See, that counts as two shots, since the initial shout out to God terminated when the second contestant started talking, then a new one started, though obviously on the same topic. > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Indygrrl_ > That said, I think her tits look fab. Oh you have GOT to be kidding me. Boobies are not supposed to reveal a half dozen wrinkles at the slightest touch. Blech! ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2003, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-27/157903/53 "2003-03-03T18:05:59Z")
I loved the zing that Probst got in at the guys at Tribal Council, where he pointed out they needed to catch more fish. Here’s a quote from the recap at [Television Without Pity:](http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/) > [@](#): > > The producers barely refrain from sending in a monkey with a sign around its neck reading, “LESS BOOB TALK, MORE FISHING. YOU’RE GOING TO STARVE, YOU MORONS.” Guys? When you catch three little fish, it’s not soup. It’s BAIT. You remember bait, don’t you? That what you lost to the ladies in the first reward challenge. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2003, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-27/157903/54 "2003-03-03T21:42:12Z")
I can’t believe this actually just popped into my mind on a Monday - but we didn’t see Joanna bathe! Hmmm. Does this indicate that she is an outcast? Future swing vote? Or simply that the baby Jeebus likes his wimmen grimy? **minty** - once again, I bow before you. Guess next time I’ll have to try it with the martini in hand. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2003, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-27/157903/55 "2003-03-04T01:57:12Z")
> [@](#): > > I can’t believe this actually just popped into my mind on a Monday - but we didn’t see Joanna bathe! > Hmmm. > Does this indicate that she is an outcast? > Future swing vote? > Or simply that the baby Jeebus likes his wimmen grimy? I noticed that as well. Given the warm personality she’s shown so far, it’d be easy to assume Joanna’s an outcast. But Jeanne mentioned that she and Joanna had plotted together on the decision to put Deena forth as leader, so apparently they have some kind of understanding. Maybe Jeanne’s already working on the “pick the least popular person as your partner for the final two” strategy. And here’s my prediction for this week: Shawna gets a tummyache, then feels better. We already know something happens from the preview. But consider past history; when something really dramatic happens, like someone leaving the show, the preview never shows any meaningful details. When they hype things in detail like they did here, it inevitably means the actual event is insignificant. So I predict whatever befalls Shawna will be more on the order of Robb getting stung by the stingray rather than Mike falling into the fire. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-27/157903.md?page=2)