# Survivor 2-Hour FINALE 05/11/2003 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 10, 2003, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-hour-finale-05-11-2003/174325 "2003-05-10T15:07:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-hour-finale-05-11-2003/174325/61 "2003-05-12T06:02:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by vandal \* > \*\*So what are you saying? That those who appear in Playboy aren’t mature? \*\* She regretted getting naked for peanut butter and expressed remorse and embarrassment, especially regarding her parents’ reactions. She also said she’d never do it again. I don’t know if she was specifically addressing getting naked for peanut butter (jokingly, of course), or just in general. ---
**Author:** ![donkeyoatey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47c2d/32.png) [@donkeyoatey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/donkeyoatey)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-hour-finale-05-11-2003/174325/62 "2003-05-12T06:08:51Z")
Hard to believe. I was rooting for Matt, but when he said he would throw the immunity challenge, I figured if Jenna won she would take Rob and if Rob won (bats bats) he’d take Jenna. I have to give Jenna props for taking Matt, only because I thought she would win by almost a landslide against Rob. Wow, did Matt ever look normal ! And Heidi looked like a hooker when she appeared on the jury. Kinda thought Matt and Jenna might be seeing each other the way their arms were locked for the whole reunion. ---
**Author:** ![levdrakon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/49beb7/32.png) [@levdrakon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/levdrakon)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 6:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-hour-finale-05-11-2003/174325/63 "2003-05-12T06:23:16Z")
No, no, no. That just couldn’t have happened. I’m not much of a conspiracy theorist, but something (a lot of things) just aren’t right about that ending. Christie vowed not to let Jenna win and a couple days later she changes her mind? Even after the lame answer Jenna gave to the “I’m handicapped because I’m beautiful” question? When Jeff asked Christie about it she simply says “she played better” & shrugs her shoulders. That’s not the stubborn opinionated girl I watched all this time. Someone or something changed her mind & she didn’t feel like talking about it. Uh-uh. Would. Not. Happen. I could go on and on but it just seemed to me Jenna screwed up or performed poorly on every question and Matt did reasonably well on each question. I’m certain Jenna couldn’t have thought of a single political leader. I’m certain she didn’t even know who the president is. “Oh, I emulate my mom.” Just the kind of answer they train you to give during your little beauty pageants when you have no brain, much less knowledge. No amount of creative editing could make me believe Jenna was truly favored 6-1. What kind of monster must Matt have been behind the scenes? Argh, why do I waste my time with this stuff? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-hour-finale-05-11-2003/174325/64 "2003-05-12T06:24:44Z")
Was everyone else surprised by how radically both Jenna and Matthew’s appearance had changed? I wouldn’t have recognized them. ---
**Author:** ![Madawc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@Madawc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Madawc)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-hour-finale-05-11-2003/174325/65 "2003-05-12T06:39:57Z")
yup the gambling scandal predicted a Matt and Jenna showdown… but Jenna winning wasn’t known and all of us can say damn it! ---
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-hour-finale-05-11-2003/174325/66 "2003-05-12T06:45:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by levdrakon \* > \*\*Christie vowed not to let Jenna win and a couple days later she changes her mind? \*\* Didn’t she actually have a couple of months to cool off if the show tonight was live? I thought taping wrapped up on the actual show long ago. \* CBS This Morning \* couldn’t have had the “Latest Castaway voted off the show” the next morning if there wasn’t a considerable delay. ---
**Author:** ![Madawc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@Madawc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Madawc)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-hour-finale-05-11-2003/174325/67 "2003-05-12T06:59:14Z")
yes but the vote was casted near the “heat of the moment”. So her feelings shouldve been strong at the final TC… ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 9:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-hour-finale-05-11-2003/174325/68 "2003-05-12T09:31:47Z")
Jenna. Jenna …won …um, so the jury basically took pity on Jen’s Mom ? ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-hour-finale-05-11-2003/174325/69 "2003-05-12T09:33:09Z")
I didn’t watch the whole reunion yet, but. Turned it off just after the decision. … but what was with Jenna and Matte hanging all over each other before the vote? Are they engaged now or something? eeew. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 9:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-hour-finale-05-11-2003/174325/70 "2003-05-12T09:40:36Z")
Heidi did look just amazing cleaned up. And then she opened her mouth. Pity. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 11:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-hour-finale-05-11-2003/174325/71 "2003-05-12T11:00:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Little Nemo \* > \*\*Was everyone else surprised by how radically both Jenna and Matthew’s appearance had changed? I wouldn’t have recognized them. \*\* Especially Matt. But another thing I noticed was how Jenna held onto his arm the whole time. Are they a couple now? (Oops. On preview, I see squeegee beat me to it…) ---
**Author:** ![Atrael](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Atrael](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atrael)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-hour-finale-05-11-2003/174325/72 "2003-05-12T12:00:14Z")
I’m just disappointed that because she won the million, there will be less reason for Jenna to pose for Playboy now…_sigh_…oh well. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-hour-finale-05-11-2003/174325/73 "2003-05-12T12:10:06Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Slacker \* > I think the problem this season was that we had the world’s most vapid jury. Bingo. And a smart player would have taken that into account when determining who to go up against at the final vote. If Matt had just stuck to his alliance with Rob instead of transparently throwing the final challenge–and there is no way Rob didn’t know Matt threw it–he would be cashing a million dollar check this morning. Instead, he chose to go up against the world’s most vapid player in front of the world’s most vapid jury. Bad move, Matt. ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-hour-finale-05-11-2003/174325/74 "2003-05-12T12:18:14Z")
Jenna prior to the final four did not deserve to win, the Jenna from the final four did. While Matt was my choice, Jenna did win immunity when she had to, and performed well in front of the dim-witted jury. Worst jury performance ever as a whole, insipid questions and generally poor sense of why they did what they did (other then coat-tail riding action Heidi). Heidi still looked bad at the reunion show, and dumb, so it wasn’t just the lack of food. Matt didn’t even look the same. Good reunion show- Jeff stuck it too them a bit. Best Survivor since Survivor Africa. And this one may have been better. ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-hour-finale-05-11-2003/174325/75 "2003-05-12T12:30:56Z")
I’m surprised and bewildered! Didn’t watch all the reunion show. I’ll have to read the postings on whether the show is fixed.:dubious: ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-hour-finale-05-11-2003/174325/76 "2003-05-12T12:35:48Z")
Was anyone else struck by the thought that maybe Heiddi is modeling herself after Pamela Anderson? Her hair and makeup–and of course, the boobs–were dead ringers at the reunion. ---
**Author:** ![Jadis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/87869e/32.png) [@Jadis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jadis)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-hour-finale-05-11-2003/174325/77 "2003-05-12T12:36:39Z")
I was positively agape when they announced the winner. I don’t think I’ve ever been so angry with a TV show. I don’t understand how 6 out of the 7 people thought Jenna played the game better than Matteo. I really don’t. She was a complete twat to everyone around her except HeiDDi for the entire game, and they gave her a million dollars for it. I was wondering if Matteo throwing the final immunity challenge (and OMG, I about swallowed my tongue when he said he was thinking about doing it) lost him a few votes. If some of them were teetering on the edge, thinking that he’d coasted along rather than playing hard to get there, the impression that he couldn’t hack it at the last IC and that he was only there because Jenna _picked_ him to be there may have pushed them over to Jenna’s side. I have no doubts that Matteo could have outlasted them all in the final IC…remember him hunkered down on that pole in the water during the IC where the Boobsie Twins got naked? He was in for the long haul. I think I’m seriously depressed about this. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Controvert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-hour-finale-05-11-2003/174325/78 "2003-05-12T12:57:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Atrael \* > \*\*I’m just disappointed that because she won the million, there will be less reason for Jenna to pose for Playboy now…_sigh_…oh well. \*\* Well, if it’s any consolation, just remember that many of the things that make Jenna attractive on Survivor would be systematically erased by the Playboy makeup and hair department. ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-hour-finale-05-11-2003/174325/79 "2003-05-12T12:58:49Z")
I knew Jenna won it when they accidentally put up that super that said “Jenna’s Family” for a few seconds right before Jeff read the votes. Big mistake there, CBS. I can’t believe Jenna won 6-1. I still can’t believe Christy voted for her. And that final IC was totally slanted toward Jenna. Woman have a better sense of balance. I wish Jeff had brought up the fact that Jenna and Heidi didn’t have to get naked for the PB and chocolate. What a couple of moronic dolts. They would have gotten the food just for jumping off the pole. No one said they had to strip. Jenna said she’d never do it again, but who wants to bet we’ll see her in Playboy soon? And Heidi has the highest IQ? No fricking way. Unless she pulled a _Seinfeld_ and had Elaine take the test for her, there’s just no way. Does _Survivor_ give contestants IQ tests, or are they just going off what the contestants themselves report? And she still came off as an idiot during the reunion show. Her answers were just rambling and nonsensical. And Jenna couldn’t think of a world leader? I know Dave was looking for bullshit answers, and saying “my mom” was probably a good answer, but I doubt that if pressed she could even name one world leader. ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2003, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-hour-finale-05-11-2003/174325/80 "2003-05-12T13:06:15Z")
Side note: **Mullinator** , you are wise. 😃 From last episode’s thread: > [@](#): > > _op by Mull_ > **At the last TC, she gets to speak and ask a question giving her two opprtunities to look like a loon. Bonus comedy points will happen if she tries to give the vindictive speech of the year. Extra bonus points if her question actually revolves around her rather than the final two.** Two out of three aint bad. 😃 I coulda swore we’d here at least one vindictive speech, but the Jury of the Damned Fools was quite serene instead. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-hour-finale-05-11-2003/174325.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-2-hour-finale-05-11-2003/174325.md?page=5)