# Survivor 4/17/08 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 18, 2008, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-17-08/445815 "2008-04-18T00:57:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![The\_Controvert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2008, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-17-08/445815/21 "2008-04-18T10:03:33Z")
[QUOTE=squeegee] Hey, is Ozzy up one the “ponderosa” vids yet, having a hissy fit, breaking furniture and all? 🙂 ETA: he is up there now, and he’s pretty calm. [/QUOTE] Yeah, he was pretty civil to Eliza. (despite her outing Ozzy’s idol and basically trying to screw him) Ozzy’s undoing was he stopped playing this week and was already planning the end of the game. He should have won immunity to ensure Jason’s ouster. His youth definitely showed with his comments about how delicious the reward food was. Parvati is rather stupid. She was feeling flush with power after winning immunity, but on this island, everyone who wins will be gone shortly, victims of the target of jealousy. It’s basically a Chet season… see who can win the least. If you can bumble your way into as many losses as possible without either quitting or wounding yourself, you’ll win a million bucks. I predict James and Amanda are gone next, with Cirie / Parvati / Jason being the next targets. ---
**Author:** ![Borborygmi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/borborygmi/32/217_2.png) [@Borborygmi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Borborygmi)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2008, 11:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-17-08/445815/22 "2008-04-18T11:32:18Z")
[QUOTE=Batsinma Belfry] James about Jason: _“Stupidest survivor EVER.”_ Umm no, I’m pretty sure having 2 Immunity Idols and still getting voted off, is much stupider. [/QUOTE] James was speaking quietly, but I thought I heard him say “I thought _ **I** _ was the stupidest Survivor ever”… alluding to the same thing. You’re in James’ mind, man! ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2008, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-17-08/445815/23 "2008-04-18T11:52:45Z")
I guess I’m the only Ozzy fan in the house. I now hate both Parvati and Jason. ---
**Author:** ![singular1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba9def/32.png) [@singular1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/singular1)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2008, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-17-08/445815/24 "2008-04-18T12:17:21Z")
Naw, **Lib** , I’m with ya, but I’ve hated Jason and Parvati for a long, long time. He did pull a bone-headed move, tho, and has no one to blame but himself. If you look at the Ponderosa clips, he knows that, too. He would’ve played the idol, but he _left it back at camp!_ :smack: My favorite line of the night came from James when Cirie and Natalie (?) gave up for the candy dish - “What the Nickelodeon is goin’ on?” 🆒 James gives such good sound bites! ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2008, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-17-08/445815/25 "2008-04-18T12:44:14Z")
Me three. I’m incredibly bummed to see the end of Ozzy. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2008, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-17-08/445815/26 "2008-04-18T12:54:39Z")
Well, I’m not a huge Ozzy fan (I did have a soft spot for him on Cook Islands, but not until the Mutiny and the triumph of the underdogs). I was happy to see him go. But as I’ve said before, a well-executed blindside is a thing of beauty and a joy forever, regardless of whether you were a fan of the deceased or not. I can’t imagine that even the two or three fans of the Himbo Quartet in Fiji weren’t tickled by the way the double blindside that removed Edgardo worked out. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2008, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-17-08/445815/27 "2008-04-18T13:56:22Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] I guess I’m the only Ozzy fan in the house. [/QUOTE] Hey, I’ve been rooting for Ozzy, but I’m also a fan of _The Game_. On an episode like this one, you (well, I) have to set aside rooting for individuals, and just enjoy how the surprises unfold and it all plays out. It was an _awesome_ upset, and the underdogs turned the worm deftly. ---
**Author:** ![Eureka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/74df32/32.png) [@Eureka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eureka)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2008, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-17-08/445815/28 "2008-04-18T14:24:31Z")
I’m an Ozzy fan, so I’m disappointed that he’s gone. On the other hand, I’d have been more upset if Jason had been voted off. I understand that for many players lying is part of the whole Outwit, Outplay thing so that one can Outlast others. But it bugged me that _everyone_ was apparantly willing to “personally guarentee” that they wouldn’t vote for Jason this week, eat the food, and then vote for him anyway, on the grounds that he was stupid to believe them for a moment. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2008, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-17-08/445815/29 "2008-04-18T14:25:15Z")
James is cracking me up this season…that was a great line about thinking _he_ was the dumbest Survivor ever, too bad (for him) it didn’t pan out like he thought it was going to! I love the preview for next week, too, when he’s talking to Parvati and she’s all like “I _like_ you, James (I guess he couldn’t figure that out when she boned him on day one, right?), I don’t want it to be awkward,” and he says, “oh, it’s _gonna_ be awkward.” What did she expect? She’s one of those girls who thinks she can always win a guy over by flirting, but I’m not so sure it’s going to work this time. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2008, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-17-08/445815/30 "2008-04-18T14:29:52Z")
[QUOTE=The Controvert] I predict James and Amanda are gone next, with Cirie / Parvati / Jason being the next targets. [/QUOTE] Something else you can lay at Ozzy’s door is the way the Favorites went from a 7/4 lead to being tied with the Fans. And I’d guess the James & Amanda vs. Parvati & Cirie split will insure they don’t come back together as a voting bloc. My guess for the next bootee is whichever of James and the Ozzie-wannabee doesn’t win the II next. I really think there’s a pretty strong Girl Power Alliance right now. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2008, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-17-08/445815/31 "2008-04-18T14:57:16Z")
Once again, Cirie proves she is the brains of this whole season. A complete non-factor in challenges, she comes back from two days alone on Exile Island and in one afternoon manages to correctly assess the situation in camp, turn it to her advantage, and convince her group that her dangerous idea is not only a good one, but gets them to act on it as well. In addition to getting the strongest player off the island, she has also suceeded in shoving the “leader” of the new strong alliance (Pavarti) into a position of alienation. I see it going from here: either James or Amanda go next, then Cirie pushes Pavarti off a cliff, then the leftover of James/Amanda, and as all this happens, Cirie will be manouvering one of the remaining fans into a position where he/she must be the next one to go. Voila, final four. I don’t know how she does it, but she’s got something that no other Survivor contestant has ever had. Richard Hatch did it, but no one knew it at the time. Everyone knows the strategies now, and Cirie still manages to direct this tribe without anyone catching on. It’s like watching a conductor in front of her orchestra. ---
**Author:** ![FlightlessBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/cdc98d/32.png) [@FlightlessBird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlightlessBird)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2008, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-17-08/445815/32 "2008-04-18T15:50:17Z")
Jason was stupid to believe everyone in a game for a million dollars, but he could’ve used the guarantees a little better. Everyone: “We guarantee” Jason: “If everyone agrees not to vote me out, then there’s no reason for me not to have the Immunity Idol. Unless you are lying…” Of course I’m still waiting for someone to try this, maybe as they’re getting snuffed out: “If \'s in the final three, I’m voting for them!” Ensuring that no one’ll want to go to the final 3 with them and they’ll get voted out. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2008, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-17-08/445815/33 "2008-04-18T15:58:50Z")
[QUOTE=PastAllReason] It just goes to show that Cirie is definitely a force to be reckoned with. I watched the last few minutes twice I enjoyed it so much! [/QUOTE] I noticed that the first thing Cirie did when she returned from Exile Island was to give Ozzy the Hug of Death, with a big smile on her face. Oh, she’s _good_. What the hell was Ozzy thinking? Here’s what he _should_ have been thinking: “Everyone knows I have the immunity idol. Plus, I’m a proven threat to win individual immunities. And now I’m in a situation where I _didn’t_ win immunity. It’s a rare chance for the others to get rid of me. Let’s see, now…didn’t James get blindsided _in just such a situation_? Hmm…” ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2008, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-17-08/445815/34 "2008-04-18T16:04:40Z")
[QUOTE=spoke-] I noticed that the first thing Cirie did when she returned from Exile Island was to give Ozzy the Hug of Death, with a big smile on her face. [/QUOTE] 😃 Cirie’s the Godmother! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Controvert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2008, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-17-08/445815/35 "2008-04-18T17:09:58Z")
Isn’t it a bit premature to crown Cirie the Godmother? I thought Parvati was the one who turned, why isn’t she the Godmother? Or did I miss a scene where Cirie convinced Parvati to turn?? If we’re giving out kudos to the person who turned Parvati, weren’t the female fans doing most of the stroking? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2008, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-17-08/445815/36 "2008-04-18T17:35:41Z")
[QUOTE=The Controvert] Isn’t it a bit premature to crown Cirie the Godmother? I thought Parvati was the one who turned, why isn’t she the Godmother? Or did I miss a scene where Cirie convinced Parvati to turn?? If we’re giving out kudos to the person who turned Parvati, weren’t the female fans doing most of the stroking? [/QUOTE] I was mostly working off the “Hug of Death” thing in the post I was responding to…like the “kiss of death”? ---
**Author:** ![tsm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/db5fbb/32.png) [@tsm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tsm)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2008, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-17-08/445815/37 "2008-04-18T21:15:46Z")
[QUOTE=spoke-] Let’s see, now…didn’t James get blindsided _in just such a situation_? Hmm…" [/QUOTE] I’m not so sure the Fans vs. Favorites survivors were able to watch that far into the previous season before they had to head out for taping this one. So Ozzy likely never saw James get blindsided. He still should have known they’d be gunning for him, though. I’m loving Cirie as the “Godmother.” How many ousters has she engineered now that none of them are aware of? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2008, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-17-08/445815/38 "2008-04-18T21:46:17Z")
[QUOTE=jayjay] But seriously…how old are these people? If you’re going to give your word with no intention at all to follow through on it, just go ahead and lie to the guy. Crossing your fingers is sixth-grade crap, and doesn’t really mean anything, no matter how much it may assuage your atrophied conscience. [/QUOTE] I expect they were playing to the cameras, which they surely knew were behind them. Great episode, and what a crap exit speech from Ozzy. He “hates” them for playing smarter than he did? Pffft!! James is great. Parvati has a lot of nerve to ask him to stop working so she can sleep. Or work somewhere else. Cerie needs to watch out, though, she may be next. She’s unlikely to win immunity, and I don’t think anyone would want to go up against her in front of the jury. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2008, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-17-08/445815/39 "2008-04-18T22:26:47Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Great episode, and what a crap exit speech from Ozzy. He “hates” them for playing smarter than he did? Pffft!! [/QUOTE] It was entertainingly ironic, considering his earlier gloating about how he had “outwitted” Jason by lying to him. ---
**Author:** ![as\_u\_wish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6f9a4e/32.png) [@as\_u\_wish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/as_u_wish)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2008, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-17-08/445815/40 "2008-04-18T22:28:08Z")
Wouldn’t James have talked to Ozzy about what happened? So, if Ozzy left the immunity idol back at the camp, do you suppose Amanda knows where it is? I would love to see a “reverse” blind side, where someone plays the immunity idol now that everyone thinks it’s out of play. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-17-08/445815.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-17-08/445815.md?page=3)