# Survivor 4/21 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 21, 2005, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-21/300454 "2005-04-21T18:42:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![El\_Zagna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d2c977/32.png) [@El\_Zagna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Zagna)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2005, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-21/300454/41 "2005-04-22T13:05:46Z")
> [@The Big Cheese](#): > > How can you have been on that island for 26 days and not learned how to make a fire? Sheesh. Once you get a fire started the first time, the trick is to never, ever let it go out. If you do that you should only need to \*start \* a fire once. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2005, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-21/300454/42 "2005-04-22T13:09:34Z")
> [@rockle](#): > > **Lib** , I agree in principle with what you are saying, but I think it would have backfired. For starters, Tom had immunity at TC. But calling out the “big” alliance – which I think everyone already knows about anyway – would have just made Steph a bigger target. Certainly she wouldn’t have been able to recruit Ian for her cause. It is clear that he has no intention of voting against Tom until he absolutely has to, and vice versa for Tom. What I don’t entirely understand is why she didn’t say anything to _Gregg_, though. Steph was told about the “traitor sub-alliance” by Coby before his ouster. All very true. You’re right, Rockle. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2005, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-21/300454/43 "2005-04-22T13:28:15Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > And oh. my. Og. Did Coby get like _ten times gayer_ in the three days since he got voted off? Thank _Og_ he found somebody to put highlights in his hair. I loved how Janu said in TC that she was quitting because she was done, not because she wanted to help out Steph, then in her exit interview, she turned right around and said she did it to keep Steph in the game. Like, “Hey, Koror? Up yours.” ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2005, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-21/300454/44 "2005-04-22T13:32:06Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Thank _Og_ he found somebody to put highlights in his hair. > > I loved how Janu said in TC that she was quitting because she was done, not because she wanted to help out Steph, then in her exit interview, she turned right around and said she did it to keep Steph in the game. Like, “Hey, Koror? Up yours.” I don’t know that that did Steph any favors, though. She seemed to immediately recognize the great big target Janu was painting (or, as the case may be, enlarging) on her back by dropping out IN FAVOR OF HER. Steph pretty much tripped over herself to get Janu to rephrase her “resignation speech”…kind of locking the barn door after the horse makes its break, but… ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2005, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-21/300454/45 "2005-04-22T13:34:44Z")
Oh, and I agree with **Draelin** 150%. Coby went from being (21st Century) Tim Curry’s evil twin to West Hollywood Street Party Boi in apparently 3 days. ---
**Author:** ![Glory](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7cd45c/32.png) [@Glory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Glory)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2005, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-21/300454/46 "2005-04-22T13:54:35Z")
I don’t understand Tom/Ian at all - if Stephenie is a big threat, what about Gregg? Not only is a he threat in the physical challenges, he also has a sub alliance with Jen. I would have kept Steph in the alliance and voted out Gregg. With Gregg gone - Jen, Caryn and Katie could be picked off when convenient (or kept for final 2 fodder) since they are no threats. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2005, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-21/300454/47 "2005-04-22T13:59:55Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > I kept hoping that at tribal council, Steph would seize the opporunity to say something like this to Greg or Ian — “If this were about voting off the strongest competition and not about alliances, then you would be voting off Tom right now.” But Tom had immunity, so that wouldn’t make any sense. Perhaps you meant Ian. Wow. This Survivor just keeps getting better and better. Steph clawed her way back from the abyss. She is such a stud, but she has to start being more subtle and stop relying on brute force to win-- she’s running out of options. Still, though, no one has ever talked her way out of TC like that. Incredible. A girl alliance? There isn’t anything else for her to try, so I think this is the way to go. Tom and Ian screwed her over. And everyone better be thinking that Tom gets voted off as soon as he doesn’t win an IC. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2005, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-21/300454/48 "2005-04-22T14:16:23Z")
Bleh. Good riddance. I guess this was kind of a transitional episode. It is settings us up for some good action down the road. I can feel it! And so, the less anticipated, highly derivative **RICH RANKINGS!** (K or U for Tribe and Last Week’s Ranking in Parentheses). **FORGOT TO FILE A 1040** - I guess you couldn’t outwit everyone! **Wanda,Jonathan,Jolanda, Ashlee,Jeff, Kim,Angie,(sniff) Willard**, **James** , **Ibrehem** , **Bobby Jon** , **Coby** , **Scope Mouthwash** - I feel bad lumping jurors in with the also-rans, but the categories are confusing enough to be adding new ones at this point! **Janu** -(K/Jerky)- They should bring back Bobbie Jon and let him sit on the jury instead of her. I said it last week. The WORST player to ever make the Jury. **EATING BEEF JERKY** - You’re still playing, but you’re praying for a tribe scramble! No one is really on the edge of extinction after this episode. It could go in any direction from here. **WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT A MERGE?** - Middle of the pack players, the lotta ya! **Ian** -(K/Rat)- To the shock and dismay of dolphin-boy fans everywhere, Ian takes a MASSIVE dive. Not only did he leave a tough competitor in the game, did you SEE his poker face when he was “lying” to Steph? The boy is too nice to lie effectively. Couple that with the girl power thing from the previews and you have to think Ian could be in trouble. Sweet and honest may be the proper qualities in a sig/oth but not necessarily for Survivor. Sometimes the Dolphins get canned with the Tuna! **Tom** -(K/Mohawk)- Of course, to boot him, they have to beat him. But one slip and he may get the ax. His plans may have been destroyed by Janu. He WAS keeping her around against her will. It was a good plan, but what now? **HEY! LOOK AT HIS MOHAWK** -You might make the merge, but you’re grimacing from the jury row! **Gregg** - (K/Merge)- Gregg is the most fluid player in these rankings. It is hard to get a peg on him. I know he is supposed to be the villain because he is at work against fan faves Ian and Tom. But I like the guy. He has a great analysis of the game. **LOOKING FOR A BIG TOM TO ENGLISH DICTIONARY** - Big Tom has spent more combined days on the show than anyone. But he didn’t quite grab the brass ring. **Jennifer** - (K/Merge)- I think she’ll go pretty far. But doesn’t it seem like, in any possible alliance, that she is the expendable one? **Caryn** - (K/Tom)- I almost moved Caryn into Rat or Snake. I think if Girl Power takes hold, it is between her and Steph. But I think she also might be the first of the girls sacrificed if they get rid of all the guys. I will say this. As a somewhat conservative guy from Texas, I am probably not supposed to root for Yankee, ACLU lawyers. But I like Caryn. She’s a pretty good player. **ARE YOU A RAT OR A SNAKE?** - Reserved for a MAXIMUM of two players. You have to be in the driver’s seat for this spot. **Katie** - (K/Tom)- I think it is almost certain that Katie goes to the final two. She is such a little harpie. She can’t beat ANYONE! I know Janu sucks, but c’mon. She’s on the jury! I was pretty pleased with my Jenna comparison from last week. Katie is the only person left that I really dislike. **Stephanie (rawks!)**- (U/Rat)- Gregg’s right. There IS a storyline developing here. Is Mr. Burnett foreshadowing the most amazing win ever (topping last season’s record setter)? She is TOUGH. Did you see in the reward challenge how much faster she was than all of her teammates? Next to Tom, she is the highest alpha. Also, she **shamed** someone into falling on a sword for her! And wouldn’t it be ironic if tomboy Stephanie succeeds where Lipstick Ami failed last season? The all girlie alliance? As the Dolphin-Boy fan club feels about Ian, I feel about Steph. She rawks! One change in my prediction- I have the girlie alliance having SOME success, but I have Gregg wiggling in there by using and discarding Jennifer. **Final Four Prediction** - Gregg, Stephanie (rawks!), Katie and Caryn **Winner** - Stephanie(rawks!) over Katie [sub]Of course, Steph could fail, fall flat on her ass, and get booted next week…[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2005, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-21/300454/49 "2005-04-22T14:20:42Z")
A plea to those of you who have read spoilers - could you please stop posting information from them? Even when you’re using spoiler boxes your other comments leak information. ---
**Author:** ![singular1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba9def/32.png) [@singular1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/singular1)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2005, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-21/300454/50 "2005-04-22T14:21:21Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Thank _Og_ he found somebody to put highlights in his hair. No, I distinctly remember seeing those highlights when he was fishing for bait last week. He just has lasting fierceness! ---
**Author:** ![Redsland](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9de0a6/32.png) [@Redsland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redsland)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2005, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-21/300454/51 "2005-04-22T14:24:16Z")
A quitter on the jury? I don’t like that one bit. Remember Jeff’s contempt for Osten when he quit? Now a quitter gets to decide who get a million bucks? That’s quite a reversal. Basically Janu got to cast all the votes this week, and she gets to cast another one for the winner. It ain’t right. Quitters do not belong on the jury. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2005, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-21/300454/52 "2005-04-22T14:27:31Z")
As I see it, there’s two tiers of players now: Gregg, Ian, Stephenie, and Tom are the A-Team; Caryn, Jenn, and Katie are the B-Team. Any of the A-Team members would win the million dollar vote against any of the B-Team and all of them seem aware of this. So the strategy now seems to be for the A-Teamers to eliminate each other from the competition while bringing along at least one B-Teamer. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2005, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-21/300454/53 "2005-04-22T14:29:22Z")
> [@](#): > > Quitters do not belong on the jury. What’s their alternative? Have a six man jury and risk a tie? Go back and declare Bobby Jon first runner up and put him on the jury? I think they were stuck with Janu and had to make the best of it. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2005, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-21/300454/54 "2005-04-22T14:36:06Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > A plea to those of you who have read spoilers - could you please stop posting information from them? Even when you’re using spoiler boxes your other comments leak information. Sorry, I don’t see the logic in your request. ---
**Author:** ![Redsland](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9de0a6/32.png) [@Redsland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Redsland)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2005, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-21/300454/55 "2005-04-22T14:39:28Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > What’s their alternative? Have a six man jury and risk a tie? Go back and declare Bobby Jon first runner up and put him on the jury? Either of those solutions work for me. (There have been ties before, after all.) ---
**Author:** ![Jaade](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/dfb087/32.png) [@Jaade](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jaade)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2005, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-21/300454/56 "2005-04-22T14:47:48Z")
**rockle** , Steph asked Ian right before tribal counsel if the plan was still to vote off Janu. He says something like “mubble, uh…yeah, mubble”. She said “I don’t think so. I think it’s me tonight.” She asked him something else (IIRC) and he just stands there looking down at the ground. So yeah, he’s not an effective liar, but he did lie. The coolest part was how Steph called him out on it so blatantly. I think what happens next week is pivotal for the rest of the season. If Steph manages to stay it will be a major coup for her, as this week was. If not, I think that one of the final two will be Ian, Tom or Gregg. The rest of the girls have no real shot to win this, IMO. I agree with **Little Nemo’s** (Hi **LN**!!) assessment about the A Team and B Team. I also think that **Glory’s** strategy would have been better than what the alliance chose to do. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2005, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-21/300454/57 "2005-04-22T14:49:09Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > Sorry, I don’t see the logic in your request. He’s asking people who are commenting on spoilers to also use spoiler boxes. What’s so difficult to understand about that? Janu knew it was only a matter of time before she was kicked off and she had lost her will anyway. All she could do was screw over the people who had been mocking her while she still had a little bit of power. Probst definitely swayed her though. Haj ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2005, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-21/300454/58 "2005-04-22T14:55:11Z")
> [@Jaade](#): > > **rockle** , Steph asked Ian right before tribal counsel if the plan was still to vote off Janu. He says something like “mubble, uh…yeah, mubble”. She said “I don’t think so. I think it’s me tonight.” She asked him something else (IIRC) and he just stands there looking down at the ground. You’re right. I’d forgotten about that. Which is odd, given my usual close attention to everything Ian does. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2005, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-21/300454/59 "2005-04-22T14:56:14Z")
I agree that Tom has a big target on his back. When the IC was beginning, I turned to my wife and said “Since Tom appears to be the terminator, he will win this challenge”. So his only choice at this point is to keep winning and trying to manage the alliance. Also, before the promo for next week, I was thinking to myself that the 4 women/3 men dynamic would assert itself. I suspect one of the weaker females will try the “sista” strategy next week to go after one of the men…and I also suspect that two of the men may try to vote out the third one. Whoever has immunity next week will have a lot of power in how the game plays out…especially if they are male. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2005, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-21/300454/60 "2005-04-22T15:00:04Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > He’s asking people who are commenting on spoilers to also use spoiler boxes. What’s so difficult to understand about that? No, I am not 100% sure, but that’s not how it read for me. “A plea to those of you who have read spoilers - could you please stop posting information from them? Even when you’re using spoiler boxes your other comments leak information.” That sounds like he doesn’t want anyone to post spoilers even in spoiler boxes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-21/300454.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-21/300454.md?page=4)