# Survivor 4/25 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 26, 2012, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-25/620011 "2012-04-26T13:44:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-25/620011/21 "2012-04-26T19:05:39Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > Anyone else chant “Kill the pig! Cut her throat! Spill her blood!” as they chased it around? I wonder if the producers (a) released it for them and (b) would really have let them kill, butcher, and eat it. It was so docile that it had to have been released. They made so much noise when they first saw it that any wild or feral pig would have been out of there in a heartbeat. Plus, they kept trying to rope it when they had several chances to just tackle it. I’m not sure why the producers would have done that though, it’s not like the pig was drinking a 7-up or Hormel is sponsoring the show. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-25/620011/22 "2012-04-26T19:18:55Z")
> [@Dag\_Otto](#): > > It was so docile that it had to have been released. They made so much noise when they first saw it that any wild or feral pig would have been out of there in a heartbeat. Plus, they kept trying to rope it when they had several chances to just tackle it. I’m not sure why the producers would have done that though, it’s not like the pig was drinking a 7-up or Hormel is sponsoring the show. Hormel might be a sponsor Last week, when Kat ‘won’ the BLT in the auction, she blurted out “Oh Look, BACON!” ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-25/620011/23 "2012-04-26T23:28:20Z")
> [@Dag\_Otto](#): > > It was so docile that it had to have been released. They made so much noise when they first saw it that any wild or feral pig would have been out of there in a heartbeat. That’s what I was thinking. They chased it around, scaring it half to death and then when they returned from the immunity challenge, it was lounging around at camp? And it showed no sign of fear when they walked past, it just chilled there. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Q](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/898d66/32.png) [@Johnny\_Q](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Q)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2012, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-25/620011/24 "2012-04-26T23:51:09Z")
> [@Dag\_Otto](#): > > It was so docile that it had to have been released. They made so much noise when they first saw it that any wild or feral pig would have been out of there in a heartbeat. Plus, they kept trying to rope it when they had several chances to just tackle it. I’m not sure why the producers would have done that though, it’s not like the pig was drinking a 7-up or Hormel is sponsoring the show. Don’t actual wild pigs get a bit vicious when frightened? ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2012, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-25/620011/25 "2012-04-27T00:00:37Z")
The pig might have just wandered off rather than purposely put there by the producers. Check out this video of a village in Samoa: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/CMZNw_qwdAI/hqdefault.jpg "Pigs at Lalomanu, Samoa") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMZNw_qwdAI) They seem to have the run of the place. I liked how Troyzan said “These people think we’ll just catch the pig, take its leg off and it’s ham sandwiches for everyone”. Killing and butchering a pig is a hell of a dirtier job than cleaning fish, you noobs. Well, it’s too bad Trozan is gone, he was keeping it interesting. but at least the bloodletting is about to begin on the girls alliance. Wonder if it’ll break before they vote out Tarzan. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2012, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-25/620011/26 "2012-04-27T00:13:02Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > The season remained watchable while there were still two people actually playing. Now that there’s only one, I’m not sure I’m going to be able to stick it out. That’s always a risk on new-player-only seasons. Many don’t like returning players, but at least you’re guaranteed a strong, strategic player on both tribes to lead the way. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2012, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-25/620011/27 "2012-04-27T02:03:07Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > Last week, when Kat ‘won’ the BLT in the auction, she blurted out “Oh Look, BACON!” As I recall, she bid on and won a sandwich that was described as a ‘BLT’. When she got it, she exclaimed, ‘Oh! It has _bacon_ on it!’ ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2012, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-25/620011/28 "2012-04-27T02:08:31Z")
> [@Dag\_Otto](#): > > It was so docile that it had to have been released. They made so much noise when they first saw it that any wild or feral pig would have been out of there in a heartbeat. Plus, they kept trying to rope it when they had several chances to just tackle it. I’m not sure why the producers would have done that though, it’s not like the pig was drinking a 7-up or Hormel is sponsoring the show. Agreed. That pig didn’t remotely behave like a feral pig which would NEVER have allowed humans to get so close. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2012, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-25/620011/29 "2012-04-27T04:24:44Z")
> [@Dag\_Otto](#): > > It was so docile that it had to have been released. I thought so, too. How fucking stupid is Christina? When you know they are splitting the vote between one person and you, why the hell would you vote for someone else? Vote for Troy, and reduce your chances of getting voted off. As stupid as Kat is, she’s actually OK at the physical challenges. I’ve notice this a number of times. ---
**Author:** ![2sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/e47774/32.png) [@2sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2sense)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2012, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-25/620011/30 "2012-04-27T06:50:11Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > How fucking stupid is Christina? When you know they are splitting the vote between one person and you, why the hell would you vote for someone else? Vote for Troy, and reduce your chances of getting voted off. It wouldn’t make a difference. The numbers are so lopsided Christina was only going home if Troy had an idol. If he did one more vote being negated would change nothing. But voting for Chelsea was not a good move. People will know someone didn’t vote like they said they would and that it must be her. She has given them an excuse to vote her out before Tarzan. Notice more evidence of the secret pact Tarzan has with at least some of the core women. His name doesn’t even come up when Kim is directing the troops who to throw votes to in case Troyzan has the idol. I thought Kim really made some mistakes in the episode. Clearly she should have tried to lose the reward challenge and if she had won she should have chosen Kat and Alicia to go with her. I think she should have lost the immunity challenge as well. Yes she would be risking a blindside but she still has her idol if she senses things going awry. Last week she is outed as the mastermind controlling the game. This week she demonstrates she’s also the strongest player in the challenges. If I’m Chelsea or Sabrina I’m thinking Kim has to go sooner rather than later. Not only is she the most strategic player (who are known for turning on allies) but she has the most convincing case to the jury of having played the best game. And lastly, can we have more challenges where the women have to lube themselves up? Please? ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2012, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-25/620011/31 "2012-04-27T07:06:02Z")
> [@magnusblitz](#): > > … And I’m not going to complain about any challenge that results in five attractive women slathering themselves in oil, even if Troy probably thought it was silly and cost him a million dollars. Ha. Five? You are being kind. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2012, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-25/620011/32 "2012-04-27T14:12:11Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > Agreed. > > That pig didn’t remotely behave like a feral pig which would NEVER have allowed humans to get so close. The one thing the Survivor producers are good at is editing. If they wanted us to believe that was a feral pig, they sure as hell wouldn’t have shown him napping by the fire. Maybe they did “release” it, but as my link above shows, domesticated pigs in Samoan villages seem to be allowed to run around loose. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2012, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-25/620011/33 "2012-04-27T14:14:24Z")
> [@2sense](#): > > It wouldn’t make a difference. The numbers are so lopsided Christina was only going home if Troy had an idol. If he did one more vote being negated would change nothing. But voting for Chelsea was not a good move. People will know someone didn’t vote like they said they would and that it must be her. She has given them an excuse to vote her out before Tarzan. Except you don’t know for certain that other players aren’t going to defect. It makes absolutely no sense for Christina to vote for anyone other than Troy. I don’t think Kim should have told Christina what they were doing. Why risk her tipping their hand? She’s a non-entity in this game anyway. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2012, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-25/620011/34 "2012-04-27T14:22:36Z")
In this [secret scene](http://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/video/2227151322/survivor-one-world-i-m-not-going-to-eat-it), Tarzan says the pig calmed down and he was able to pet it, and he doesn’t want to eat it. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2012, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-25/620011/35 "2012-04-27T14:24:44Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > In this [secret scene](http://www.cbs.com/shows/survivor/video/2227151322/survivor-one-world-i-m-not-going-to-eat-it), Tarzan says the pig calmed down and he was able to pet it, and he doesn’t want to eat it. That’s not a very nice thing to say about Christina! I keed! I keed! ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2012, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-25/620011/36 "2012-04-27T14:58:48Z")
I don’t know if Tarzan is more savvy than I gave him credit for, or if he’s just been damn lucky. But if he manages to make it to a 3-person final, the jury will be 5 men and 4 women. Not that it’s a given that everyone will vote along gender lines, but that surely won’t hurt his cause. If the girls start turning on each other before voting Tarzan out, and/or he wins a couple of immunities, he’s actually got a shot at winning this thing. The only remaining player about whom I can’t find anything to like is Alicia. Everyone else, even Christina, is OK by me, but if Alicia walks away from this with a million bucks I’ll be seriously pissed. Christina, of course, is playing a terribly weak game and seems so universally disliked that I can’t imagine her getting any jury votes at all. Why nobody seems to display the same sort of open contempt for Alicia, who has shown herself again and again to be a horrible nasty bitch, is beyond me. ---
**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2012, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-25/620011/37 "2012-04-27T15:15:27Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > The only remaining player about whom I can’t find anything to like is Alicia. Everyone else, even Christina, is OK by me, but if Alicia walks away from this with a million bucks I’ll be seriously pissed. Christina, of course, is playing a terribly weak game and seems so universally disliked that I can’t imagine her getting any jury votes at all. Why nobody seems to display the same sort of open contempt for Alicia, who has shown herself again and again to be a horrible nasty bitch, is beyond me. I agree. What is even more baffling is that she is a special needs educator. With her obvious biases and attitudes, I wouldn’t let her near my kids. Furthermore, as **muldoonthief** mentions her comments about IQ are priceless as well, especially where she questions whether an IQ of zero is possible. What freakin’ job qualifications does she have that do not require at least a basic understanding of an Intelligence Quotient and it’s calculation ? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2012, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-25/620011/38 "2012-04-27T22:45:20Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > The only remaining player about whom I can’t find anything to like is Alicia. Alicia is just a bitch. And she’s supposed to be a Special Ed teacher? I find her much more irritating than Christina. ---
**Author:** ![2sense](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/e47774/32.png) [@2sense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/2sense)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2012, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-25/620011/39 "2012-04-28T01:08:50Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Except you don’t know for certain that other players aren’t going to defect. It makes absolutely no sense for Christina to vote for anyone other than Troy. But if other people might defect against her then she is sunk anyways. In that light her vote for Chelsea made sense. I criticized her for it before but really she hasn’t got anywere to turn. She is now at the top of the list whether or not she is fingered for voting for Chelsea. So why not roll the dice? > [@](#): > > I don’t think Kim should have told Christina what they were doing. Why risk her tipping their hand? She’s a non-entity in this game anyway. Kim didn’t tell Christina. Sabrina did. Someone here said she did it on purpose to garner a jury vote but I must have missed that scene. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2012, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-25/620011/40 "2012-04-28T15:48:52Z")
> [@2sense](#): > > But if other people might defect against her then she is sunk anyways. In that light her vote for Chelsea made sense. I criticized her for it before but really she hasn’t got anywere to turn. She is now at the top of the list whether or not she is fingered for voting for Chelsea. So why not roll the dice? Like I said, any fewer votes for Troy increases her chances of being the one voted out. > [@](#): > > Kim didn’t tell Christina. Sabrina did. Someone here said she did it on purpose to garner a jury vote but I must have missed that scene. But it was Kim’s idea. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-25/620011.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-4-25/620011.md?page=3)