# Survivor 5/12/13 Last Push - Season Finale **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 12, 2013, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-5-12-13-last-push-season-finale/658145 "2013-05-12T13:45:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-5-12-13-last-push-season-finale/658145/41 "2013-05-13T13:31:30Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > On the reunion, Jeff said he was leaving today to start filming the next one. But I don’t see any way they’d invite Brandon back. Too many people would refuse to be on the show with him, for self-preservation reasons if nothing else. What’s he going to do next time he’s worried he’s being voted out - go after someone with a machete? True - there is always the other Hanz relative who was on big brother. Jeff might have been leaving that day, but that doesn’t mean the other survivors aren’t already there. You do make some good points with regard to Brandon, but I find it suspicious that he wasn’t on the reunion show. I mean, if they were concerned about safety or what have you, they could have made up an excuse and had him do his interview offsite like they did for Brenda. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-5-12-13-last-push-season-finale/658145/42 "2013-05-13T13:42:09Z")
I haven’t watched the reunion show yet. I was surprised that the evac happened so early. I didn’t expect it to be Erik, since I’d assumed he’d gotten enough to eat. He definitely didn’t have anything stored, though. I didn’t expect Cochran to win Immunity. Even with the advantage, he was falling way behind in the puzzle-building. I was sure Dawn was going to win, just to spoil plans – and she seemed to have a good start on the puzzle. As I said in the last bit of my guess, he’d be smart to vote out Eddie. Not that I think Eddie would have won, but it increased Cochran’s odds. I thought Brenda’s insistence that Dawn remove her teeth was childish. I understand her reasoning. It’s easy for Dawn to say she would have stayed in the game without her teeth when she’s sitting in the Final Three. But it was really unnecessary. That was a real douche move. I’m glad Cochran won. He played well, and he deserved it. As I watched the opening of the reunion show, Dawn really looked like she’d put on a lot of weight. Cochran looked like Young Woody Allen. Jeff said Sherri was ‘a millionaire in her own right’. Was that hyperbole? Or is she really? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-5-12-13-last-push-season-finale/658145/43 "2013-05-13T14:09:33Z")
> [@Meatros](#): > > True - there is always the other Hanz relative who was on big brother. Jeff might have been leaving that day, but that doesn’t mean the other survivors aren’t already there. Willie Hantz. There’s also Brandon’s dad, who hasn’t actually been in a reality show yet (other than as Brandon’s Loved One during his first season). ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-5-12-13-last-push-season-finale/658145/44 "2013-05-13T14:12:16Z")
They could have an episode called ‘All Hantz On Deck’. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-5-12-13-last-push-season-finale/658145/45 "2013-05-13T14:14:04Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > They could have an episode called ‘All Hantz On Deck’. _holds up paper with **Johnny L.A.**'s name on it_ _looks into camera_ I’m sorry, bud, but I just couldn’t let you go on in this game after that pun. Enjoy Ponderosa! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-5-12-13-last-push-season-finale/658145/46 "2013-05-13T14:17:29Z")
Maybe you should send me to the _Pun_derosa! ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-5-12-13-last-push-season-finale/658145/47 "2013-05-13T14:20:57Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > I know they had to scramble to get another challenge in after Eric’s evacuation, and the house of cards challenge is always great, but I really didn’t like that the Reward for it was an advantage for the final IC. The final should always be as level a playing field as possible. Agree completely. And it reeked (to me at least) that the advantage was something the game-makers could easily rig without out-right cheating. Just make the knots harder or easier depending on who won the reward and suddenly the advantage goes from huge (which it was) to trivial. Sucky all around. It would have been much better, IMO, to let the reward be a personal feast for strength at the final and go back to a legitimate endurance final. But it was pretty clear they were happy with Cochran winning, so it’s all good I guess. > [@](#): > > Actually, his BP was 100/80, which according to my RN wife is completely normal. Obviously he had something wrong with him, but it wasn’t blood pressure. My MD wife said the same thing. I’m pretty shocked they didn’t let him stay hooked up to the IV for a few hours and see how he did - he would probably be fine. But I guess that’s an unfair advantage. So just let him go with monitors nearby - if he collapses or something pull him out. > [@kiz](#): > > When it came down to the final 3, I knew both Dawn and Sherri were toast – Dawn because of her game; Sherri because she never blinked the entire time. Dawn was toast because she was annoying. Jury members don’t mind voting for hard players, or even backstabbers. They don’t vote for people they personally can’t stand (Dawn, Russel H., Sugar, Phillip, etc.). The key is to have two goats - one to take the heat and one to be a non-entity. Cochran learned Rob’s lesson far better than Phillip did. > [@](#): > > Rudy Brosch is 80-something?!? Well, I didn’t realize he was in his 70s when he did Survivor. Then again, I’ve only been watching it the last 3-4 seasons. Yep. And if he hadn’t had a brain fart and let go of a pole he would have likely won the whole thing. They need to bring back those type of challenges for the final again - pure mental endurance. ---
**Author:** ![singular1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba9def/32.png) [@singular1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/singular1)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-5-12-13-last-push-season-finale/658145/48 "2013-05-13T14:25:46Z")
Well, now we know why Brenda was invisible - the editors didn’t like her little toof trick and hid her in response. Russhole tweeted that security had his photo just to make sure the Hantz ban was enforced. I think Brandon may have finally peed in the Hantz Cheerios enough to make production finally wash their hands of that unsavory tribe. Hope so! There’s rumors at Survivor Sucks that next season may be returnees and a family member - it’s definitely families in some form. From the logo, two of the silhouettes are holding hands, and from the junk-like ship, it’s probably back in the Philippines again. That was a cheap trick to pull on the early tribe members. They deserved their moment on the stage, not stone-faced clapping for Probst’s tongue bath for Cochran. Awful reunion. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-5-12-13-last-push-season-finale/658145/49 "2013-05-13T14:28:12Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > Dawn was toast because she was annoying. Jury members don’t mind voting for hard players, or even backstabbers. They don’t vote for people they personally can’t stand (Dawn, Russel H., Sugar, Phillip, etc.). Yep. If Dawn had played it cool throughout the game instead of having daily stress breakdowns over her “playing hard” she might have won. Cochran was spot-on with his having to play psychiatrist to her. If she’d been able to straddle the “Camp Mom”/“Camp Snake” line with more stability, she’d probably have had it. ---
**Author:** ![singular1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba9def/32.png) [@singular1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/singular1)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-5-12-13-last-push-season-finale/658145/50 "2013-05-13T14:51:53Z")
Concerning Blood vs Water: Aaugh - I’ve just read a spoiler that’s turning my stomach. Returnees rumored to be Gervaise & nephew, Rob C & father, Monica & NFL husband, Laura (?) & daughter & last but most repulsively, Rupert & a tremendous sense of entitlement - I mean wife. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::mad::rolleyes: Up for replacement, should someone drop out or get eaten by Rupert: Terry, Shane, Aras, Kat, Tyson, Natalie B, Steph V, Big Tom & Tina. Some real disappointments there. Hopefully someone (Rupert) drops out (Rupert) so someone else gets to step in (anyone but Rupert). Did I ever mention how I felt about Rupert? ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-5-12-13-last-push-season-finale/658145/51 "2013-05-13T14:57:00Z")
I couldn’t resist and started to look for spoilers next season. and ARRRGH, and according to TWoP (spoiled) [spoiler]Are you sure you want to look??? [spoiler]OK, you asked for it. 8 Returning players on one tribe vs tribe of their relatives. Some of the players: Rupert, Gervaise (original season), RC (Phillipines) , Tina (Australia) [Rest of cast here](http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/topic/3218490-s27-spoilers/#entry15728027) [/spoiler][/spoiler] Don’t blame me if you looked. Edit: Ninjaed while I was composing. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-5-12-13-last-push-season-finale/658145/52 "2013-05-13T15:40:01Z")
Re: the confrontation between Brenda and Dawn at TC…Dawn should have countered with “if I remove my teeth, do I get your vote? yes or no”. If no…then siddown & shuddup. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Barchetta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Red\_Barchetta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Barchetta)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-5-12-13-last-push-season-finale/658145/53 "2013-05-13T17:38:28Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > Don’t blame me if you looked. Could you please provide some idea of what the spoiler relates to? As if, we have no clue what it’s spoiling. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-5-12-13-last-push-season-finale/658145/54 "2013-05-13T17:41:55Z")
It is a spoiler about the structure and composition of the tribes for next season. ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-5-12-13-last-push-season-finale/658145/55 "2013-05-13T17:44:46Z")
> [@Red\_Barchetta](#): > > Could you please provide some idea of what the spoiler relates to? As if, we have no clue what it’s spoiling. It’s cast members of the next season. Even coming from a guy who scrupulously avoids “on next week’s show” previews, it seems a little anal to not want to know who the cast members are until the exciting moment when Probst introduces them at the top of the first show. But everybody’s different. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Barchetta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Red\_Barchetta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Barchetta)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 5:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-5-12-13-last-push-season-finale/658145/56 "2013-05-13T17:53:49Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > It’s cast members of the next season. Even coming from a guy who scrupulously avoids “on next week’s show” previews, it seems a little anal to not want to know who the cast members are until the exciting moment when Probst introduces them at the top of the first show. But everybody’s different. Gotcha, thanks. Yeah, I don’t know why that’d be considered a spoiler seeing as it’s practically the first thing you’ll find out about the show regardless ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-5-12-13-last-push-season-finale/658145/57 "2013-05-13T18:22:10Z")
> [@Meatros](#): > > there is always the other Hanz relative who was on big brother He was kicked off Big Brother for physically attacking another houseguest. (Not voted out; abruptly removed from the game by producers.) ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-5-12-13-last-push-season-finale/658145/58 "2013-05-13T18:30:38Z")
RE: Next season spoilers: Well, a tribe of returnees vs a tribe of their family members isn’t… horrible. Still seems contrived, but could be somewhat interested (especially at the merge or tribe swap). I’m surprised they would bring a winner (Tina Wesson) back, considering that she was such a non-entity on All-Stars and got voted out first because she had already won. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-5-12-13-last-push-season-finale/658145/59 "2013-05-13T18:55:24Z")
When was the last “pure” season of Survivor, without any returning players at all? Was it One World? ---
**Author:** ![Moonchild](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@Moonchild](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moonchild)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2013, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-5-12-13-last-push-season-finale/658145/60 "2013-05-13T19:21:13Z")
I strikes me that Dawn just doesn’t get it – or is in denial. The latter perhaps the cause of her weight gain? If you’re going to lean on certain people for your emotional well being throughout the season and then (apparently, depending on editing) have absolutely no regard for cutting that same person’s throat, well, you’re either a fraud, a prick (use female equivalent) or a psychopath. And clearly that was a bad choice, because nobody voted for her – I think just as much for this reason as tiring of her in-camp antics. And she absolutely didn’t acknowledge that it was a bad – and shitty – move. I think Brenda was being nice in accepting her apology and painted into a corner because it was a reunion show on national TV, but I would be surprised if she sends Dawn a Christmas card this year. I actually thought the tooth thing was effing brilliant and I loved it. BUT, I don’t think it was Brenda’s idea; I smell producer influence. Would have been better, though, if upon Dawn’s reluctance to show her teeth, just casually said, “Fine. You don’t get my vote then,” and walked away. I found it uber-odd that the cast members were sitting in the audience at the Reunion. Odd but awesome and fitting that Sherri was virtually ignored at the reunion, too. Although she did look a little _hawt_. My guess about Brandon is not that Survivor declined having him attend, but that _he declined._ Didn’t want to face the heat, although he is a bit clueless, so who knows? There had to have been some production problems with the reunion show and it was poorly executed. Seriously, not call Shamar out for his crap? That’s what the reunion show is all about. There were a lot of good things about this season that were not addressed at the reunion. Lastly, I, like most, was perfectly happy that Cochrane won, but he never found (put?) himself in position to butt heads with strong personalities this season. I think Cochrane still gets swallowed by a Coach or a Russell Hantz-type competitor, but really, they just weren’t on the show this season. To his credit, he played the season very smoothly, letting the game come to him this time around and was absolutely stellar in the Final TC. Hey may have never addressed a jury before at Harvard Law, but he was positively polished and sharp at the same time. It was probably the right choice to keep Dawn because he was showing a sense of loyalty in keeping her and was right that he had enough cushion that she couldn’t touch him, even if he had flailed at Final TC. He wins with either Dawn or Eddie up there next to him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-5-12-13-last-push-season-finale/658145.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-5-12-13-last-push-season-finale/658145.md?page=4)