# Survivor: China - Ep. 2: "My Mom Is Going To Kill Me!" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 27, 2007, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-china-ep-2-my-mom-is-going-to-kill-me/420714 "2007-09-27T18:50:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Eureka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/74df32/32.png) [@Eureka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eureka)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 1:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-china-ep-2-my-mom-is-going-to-kill-me/420714/21 "2007-09-28T13:32:22Z")
I wonder how long it will take before everyone knows that there are hidden immunity idols. ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-china-ep-2-my-mom-is-going-to-kill-me/420714/22 "2007-09-28T13:45:23Z")
[QUOTE=heraldgwena] Who needs to pay for it Some of those women may as well not be wearing anything. Their shirts don’t seem to be leaving much to the imagination, and certainly aren’t providing any support. I don’t recall it being this bad in any other show where they sent people out in the clothes on their back. I am not sure what I really think so far. I don’t really like anyone yet and I really hate quite a few people. I think that might be because they are spending so much time on the more unlikable people, and not enough on the likable people. [/QUOTE] Point the first: At least one of these people was sent out into the wilds of China without wearing a bra, _by her own admission_. Definitely a few contestants were dressed for a “glamour” shoot more than a Survivor pre-game photo session. I personally cannot imagine packing for a trip like this and _including high heels_. You’re about to spend a month and a half camping in the mud. What _possible_ use could your heels be for? Stillettoing yourself some dinner? And if you’ve ever watched the show before, you know that when they say “We’re going out for a photo shoot,” _they’re probably lying_. Idiots. Which brings me to point the second: I am so _tired_ of the Yellow tribe (Zhan Hu?) that I can’t even stand it. I never in my life _imagined_ that I would \*find a guy who voluntarily calls himself “Frosti” to be the least annoying member of a tribe \* (he’s tied with Erik, who get bonus points because he has at least shown some modicum of strategic thinking, and also he’s a cutie pie). When I heard Sherea in Tribal Council last night, complaining about how she doesn’t know some of these people’s last names – like, dude, _seriously_? _Do you even watch this show?_ I whole-heartedly agree with voting out Ashley. Dave is not much better, personality-wise, and certainly his implants can’t be used as flotation devices in the event that their camp gets flooded out again, but given the choice, I prefer condescension to the passive-aggression any day. Plus, just looking at Ashley’s boobs gave me a backache. I wonder how her wrestling fans are going to view her now. ---
**Author:** ![Judith\_Prietht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b19c9b/32.png) [@Judith\_Prietht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Judith_Prietht)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-china-ep-2-my-mom-is-going-to-kill-me/420714/23 "2007-09-28T14:12:52Z")
So we won’t have Ashley and her circus tits to gawk at anymore. I have to agree with her that Dave is an enormous tool; I wanted to punch him every time he rolled his eyes. Or pursed his lips. Or opened his mouth. James continues to be awesome. I gasped last week when he scaled those walls. Can I just say that this season has the coolest torch snuffer ever? ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-china-ep-2-my-mom-is-going-to-kill-me/420714/24 "2007-09-28T14:50:04Z")
I’m thinking the producers royally screwed over the losing tribe by selecting a lake as their campsite. WTF? Instead of crowing about how great the firepit was, my very first thought on seeing the flooding was “time to find a new campsite.” Are they not allowed to move their camp, or are they just too tired (or stupid) to bother? ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-china-ep-2-my-mom-is-going-to-kill-me/420714/25 "2007-09-28T14:55:13Z")
[QUOTE=Ellis Dee] I’m thinking the producers royally screwed over the losing tribe by selecting a lake as their campsite. WTF? Instead of crowing about how great the firepit was, my very first thought on seeing the flooding was “time to find a new campsite.” Are they not allowed to move their camp, or are they just too tired (or stupid) to bother? [/QUOTE] I think they’re not allowed to move their camp; however, they _could_ move their _shelter_, if they were so inspired. Peih-Gee might not _want_ to sleep in the trees, but if they move their shelter to higher ground, she might _have_ to. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-china-ep-2-my-mom-is-going-to-kill-me/420714/26 "2007-09-28T14:56:50Z")
[QUOTE=rockle] Point the first: At least one of these people was sent out into the wilds of China without wearing a bra, _by her own admission_. Definitely a few contestants were dressed for a “glamour” shoot more than a Survivor pre-game photo session. I personally cannot imagine packing for a trip like this and _including high heels_. You’re about to spend a month and a half camping in the mud. What _possible_ use could your heels be for? Stillettoing yourself some dinner? And if you’ve ever watched the show before, you know that when they say “We’re going out for a photo shoot,” _they’re probably lying_. Idiots. [/QUOTE] Seriously. I wonder about this every time the producers pull it on them. If I was going on this show, I would have a bathing suit on under my clothes at all times, just in case. Maybe two bathing suits. And cargo pants with legs that zip off, and good shoes, and a couple layers of shirts. How hard is this to figure out, really? > [@](#): > > I whole-heartedly agree with voting out Ashley. Dave is not much better, personality-wise, and certainly his implants can’t be used as flotation devices in the event that their camp gets flooded out again, but given the choice, I prefer condescension to the passive-aggression any day. Plus, just looking at Ashley’s boobs gave me a backache. I wonder how her wrestling fans are going to view her now. OMG, those things were weird (the boobs, I mean). I’m kind of glad she’s gone because I couldn’t stop looking at them. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-china-ep-2-my-mom-is-going-to-kill-me/420714/27 "2007-09-28T15:12:34Z")
I dunno about Dave…it seems to me that his teammates are so freaking stupid that rolling his eyes may be the only thing he can do to stay sane. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-china-ep-2-my-mom-is-going-to-kill-me/420714/28 "2007-09-28T15:24:08Z")
You have to admit - Ashley and crew had a good point - maybe 2 of them could have started a fire and cooked some food while the rest kept working on “Dave’s Inferno”. Probably would have helped in the challenges. > [@rockle](#): > > Plus, just looking at Ashley’s boobs gave me a backache. Funny, the ache they gave me was located elsewhere. ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-china-ep-2-my-mom-is-going-to-kill-me/420714/29 "2007-09-28T16:34:28Z")
[QUOTE=muldoonthief] You have to admit - Ashley and crew had a good point - maybe 2 of them could have started a fire and cooked some food while the rest kept working on “Dave’s Inferno”. Probably would have helped in the challenges. [/quote] Yes. **BUT.** Then _just DO it!_ What is he going to do, throw out the food? Make yourselves a little fire and just cook something. While I am no huge Dave fan, I have to think that he was annoyed with people constantly asking what needed to be done when clearly everything needed to be done. I know _I_ would be. Instead of asking which pile of wood to work on, _just pick one and start_, you know? He didn’t handle everything well either – he could have said “Whatever, just find something and do it” – but I really hate that passive-aggressive B.S. that people _always_ pull in this game. They always blame the leader for not giving them direction, but it is not the leader’s job to hand-hold you through everything. Be a damned grown-up. > [@](#): > > _Funny, the ache they gave me was located elsewhere._ Heh. Are they really that attractive even when you know they’re _completely fake_? ---
**Author:** ![CapnPitt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/edb3f5/32.png) [@CapnPitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CapnPitt)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-china-ep-2-my-mom-is-going-to-kill-me/420714/30 "2007-09-28T16:39:55Z")
Y’know, even for a guy who likes boobs a **lot** , I couldn’t even look at Ashley’s boobs because of the two rings through her lower carp lip. I know plenty of people do piercings, but collagen and piercing? I’m glad she’s gone and that tribe is almost surely going to get Pagong-ed. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-china-ep-2-my-mom-is-going-to-kill-me/420714/31 "2007-09-28T16:40:09Z")
[QUOTE=rockle] Heh. Are they really that attractive even when you know they’re _completely fake_? [/QUOTE] Personally, no – they look like snap-on flotation devices. I think they picked the wrong bootee-- it’s not like Dave was annoying-but-good-at-challenges. He was a tool, and a useless tool at that. What kind of food do they have? Rice? We haven’t seen anyone gathering nuts & berries, or fishing. I have to call a big “unfair” on the HII. That’s not an idol; it’s a doodad stuck to the wall. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-china-ep-2-my-mom-is-going-to-kill-me/420714/32 "2007-09-28T16:40:45Z")
[QUOTE=rockle] Yes. **BUT.** Then _just DO it!_ What is he going to do, throw out the food? [/quote] Where is the fire starter? I thought I heard something about them having to get their hands on it, which I took to mean that perhaps Dave had it in his pocket or something. [QUOTE=rockle] Heh. Are they really that attractive even when you know they’re _completely fake_? [/QUOTE] No. ---
**Author:** ![Borborygmi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/borborygmi/32/217_2.png) [@Borborygmi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Borborygmi)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-china-ep-2-my-mom-is-going-to-kill-me/420714/33 "2007-09-28T16:41:49Z")
[QUOTE=jsc1953] I have to call a big “unfair” on the HII. That’s not an idol; it’s a doodad stuck to the wall. [/QUOTE] I’m assuming the idol is actually a whatzit behind the doodad, but who knows. ---
**Author:** ![Shayna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shayna/32/17976_2.png) [@Shayna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shayna)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-china-ep-2-my-mom-is-going-to-kill-me/420714/34 "2007-09-28T16:43:50Z")
[QUOTE=rockle] Yes. **BUT.** Then _just DO it!_ What is he going to do, throw out the food? Make yourselves a little fire and just cook something. While I am no huge Dave fan, I have to think that he was annoyed with people constantly asking what needed to be done when clearly everything needed to be done. I know _I_ would be. Instead of asking which pile of wood to work on, _just pick one and start_, you know? He didn’t handle everything well either – he could have said “Whatever, just find something and do it” – but I really hate that passive-aggressive B.S. that people _always_ pull in this game. They always blame the leader for not giving them direction, but it is not the leader’s job to hand-hold you through everything. Be a damned grown-up. [/QUOTE] Yep. I kept wondering why they all didn’t just mutiny, for heaven’s sake! I mean, it was 6 against 1, so if everyone’s so annoyed with how one guy is running things, then just _do_ something about it already! What’s he going to do, stomp on you if you don’t obey his orders or something? Really people, grow up! ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-china-ep-2-my-mom-is-going-to-kill-me/420714/35 "2007-09-28T16:46:02Z")
[QUOTE=rockle] Heh. Are they really that attractive even when you know they’re _completely fake_? [/QUOTE] Being fake doesn’t matter. Bill Maher summed it up well: it doesn’t matter if they’re big, or small, or real, or fake; the only kinds of tits there are are old and new. (Familiarity-wise, not age-wise.) Women never seem to grasp this point. If they did, virtually no woman would ever get breast implants again. Hers were odd-looking, though. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-china-ep-2-my-mom-is-going-to-kill-me/420714/36 "2007-09-28T17:16:17Z")
I’m a boob guy, and I don’t have anything against implants in general. Those, specifically, were freaking _gross._ :shudder: I do want to touch them, but not in a sexual way. I just want to give them a poke and see what that feels like. I’m guessing “lumpy”, but I don’t really know. As for the HII, did I miss something? Was it revealed? ---
**Author:** ![Borborygmi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/borborygmi/32/217_2.png) [@Borborygmi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Borborygmi)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-china-ep-2-my-mom-is-going-to-kill-me/420714/37 "2007-09-28T17:35:18Z")
The HII was not revealed, but the cameras lingered on the decorative garden framework that marks the campsite suggesting that it was part of or hidden in the structure. In the next episode, God visits camp and makes the Idol float from the framework into Leslie’s hands.😃 ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-china-ep-2-my-mom-is-going-to-kill-me/420714/38 "2007-09-28T17:35:32Z")
[QUOTE=JSexton] As for the HII, did I miss something? Was it revealed? [/QUOTE] Not as _such_, no … but the sealed clue that was given to Leslie suggested that the clue would be “hidden in plain sight,” and the camera kept showing a _tchochke_ on the front of one of the camp “gates” that looked like it could be removed and worn as a pendant. But **Borborygmi** could be correct, it might be “a whatzit behind the doodad.” Hard to say with these sneaky Survivor set designers. **EXTRA CREDIT QUESTION** : How do you say “tchochke” in Mandarin? ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-china-ep-2-my-mom-is-going-to-kill-me/420714/39 "2007-09-28T17:44:01Z")
Anyone notice how perfectly square the rocks were that made up the firepit? Later in the episode they showed a huge pile of them just a dozen or so feet away from where the pit was being built. It couldn’t have taken more than a few hours to build that thing, even by one person. ---
**Author:** ![JSexton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/96bed5/32.png) [@JSexton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JSexton)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2007, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-china-ep-2-my-mom-is-going-to-kill-me/420714/40 "2007-09-28T17:47:53Z")
[QUOTE=Lamar Mundane] Anyone notice how perfectly square the rocks were that made up the firepit? Later in the episode they showed a huge pile of them just a dozen or so feet away from where the pit was being built. It couldn’t have taken more than a few hours to build that thing, even by one person. [/QUOTE] One person was also hauling around a giant chunk of broken pottery. I have to wonder: were they given some help with building materials? Or are they desecrating a site with archaeological value? Neither option appeals. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-china-ep-2-my-mom-is-going-to-kill-me/420714.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-china-ep-2-my-mom-is-going-to-kill-me/420714.md?page=3)