# Survivor Finale, 12/20 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 21, 2009, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-12-20/522013 "2009-12-21T01:08:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2009, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-12-20/522013/21 "2009-12-21T03:14:02Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Wow. Terrible choice. > > I hope Russel Hantz wins the $100,000 “player of the season” award. He probably doesn’t care about the money. He just wants to win. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2009, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-12-20/522013/22 "2009-12-21T03:15:17Z")
What did the dude in the crowd just yell out? ---
**Author:** ![Hockey\_Monkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a183cd/32.png) [@Hockey\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hockey_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2009, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-12-20/522013/23 "2009-12-21T03:15:24Z")
I’m pissed. So very very pissed. I’m not even going to watch the rest of the show. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2009, 3:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-12-20/522013/24 "2009-12-21T03:16:17Z")
Why do people still insist that an honest, fair game is supposed to win this? Erik pretty much verified my opinion of him as cute, but really kind of off-kilter with that little speech. Survivor is NOT about honesty or fairness or any of that…we’ve had what? 19 seasons? to prove that. Jury speech, I mean. I’m not really paying full attention to the reunion show. ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2009, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-12-20/522013/25 "2009-12-21T03:17:05Z")
Whoops–other time zones seem to be seeing the future!! \ Other people are seeing the reunion special already. See y’all later! Geronimooooo! ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2009, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-12-20/522013/26 "2009-12-21T03:17:42Z")
Seriously…I’m just angry with these idiotic fucks. Russell is probably the best Survivor player since this show started, including Richard Hatch. If this jury weren’t so fucking bittercakes, the right person would have won. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2009, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-12-20/522013/27 "2009-12-21T03:18:15Z")
Wow, now Jaison really looks like Charles Gunn…the smartified lawyer version of Charles, that is. [See?](http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/fox_home_video/angel ___season_5/j__ august_richards/angelfive.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2009, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-12-20/522013/28 "2009-12-21T03:19:02Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Why do people still insist that an honest, fair game is supposed to win this? Erik pretty much verified my opinion of him as cute, but really kind of off-kilter with that little speech. Survivor is NOT about honesty or fairness or any of that…we’ve had what? 19 seasons? to prove that. Pretty much all of Eric’s reaction shots as the Galus were getting voted out made me think that he actually respected Russell’s play. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2009, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-12-20/522013/29 "2009-12-21T03:21:40Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Survivor is NOT about honesty or fairness or any of that…we’ve had what? 19 seasons? to prove that. Wouldn’t it be more fun to watch if it WAS, though? It’s up to the jury to decide how you win, and it’s ALWAYS been an uphill battle to convince them that dishonesty can be rewarded. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2009, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-12-20/522013/30 "2009-12-21T03:23:33Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Wouldn’t it be more fun to watch if it WAS, though? It’s up to the jury to decide how you win, and it’s ALWAYS been an uphill battle to convince them that dishonesty can be rewarded. I don’t know. I really LIKE watching an awesome blindside. I LIKE watching someone take down an entire tribe with half the people the losing tribe had. If I want honesty, fairness and kindness, I’ll watch reruns of _Touched By An Angel_. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2009, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-12-20/522013/31 "2009-12-21T03:46:37Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Wouldn’t it be more fun to watch if it WAS, though? It’s up to the jury to decide how you win, and it’s ALWAYS been an uphill battle to convince them that dishonesty can be rewarded. Well, what “jerks” have won? I mean, what coniving men/women have won? 1. Richard Hatch 2. Brian the porno-car salesman Who else really manipulated and connived their way to the win? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2009, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-12-20/522013/32 "2009-12-21T03:49:14Z")
Well, at least Russ H. got his minor prize. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2009, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-12-20/522013/33 "2009-12-21T03:49:24Z")
Apparently, America is smarter than that jury. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2009, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-12-20/522013/34 "2009-12-21T03:53:48Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Wouldn’t it be more fun to watch if it WAS, though? Absolutely not. Without conflict, you have no drama; no drama, no television. No one would watch 39 days of smiling people being kind and considerate to each other. ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2009, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-12-20/522013/35 "2009-12-21T04:00:28Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Absolutely not. Without conflict, you have no drama; no drama, no television. No one would watch 39 days of smiling people being kind and considerate to each other. That was called Big Brother US: Season One. Let’s just say that there was a reason they completely changed the rules for Season 2. There were definitely a couple of “My question is YOU SUCK!” people tonight and the voting was …odd. Clearly, a lot of bitterness amongst the voters and not a lot of thought about who played the best game. ---
**Author:** ![eenerms](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/cdc98d/32.png) [@eenerms](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eenerms)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2009, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-12-20/522013/36 "2009-12-21T04:00:30Z")
Spoil it for me what was the final vote?(Doesn’t play here until tonight) ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2009, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-12-20/522013/37 "2009-12-21T04:03:59Z")
> [@eenerms](#): > > Spoil it for me what was the final vote?(Doesn’t play here until tonight) 5-2 and that’s all we saw(Natalie winning). Did they get Johny Fairplay and Richard Hatch for the next Survivor? 😕 :eek: 😃 I thought Hatch was denied permission to leave! ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2009, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-12-20/522013/38 "2009-12-21T04:06:07Z")
Natalie ---
**Author:** ![BMada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@BMada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMada)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2009, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-12-20/522013/39 "2009-12-21T04:07:15Z")
> [@Fear\_Itself](#): > > Absolutely not. Without conflict, you have no drama; no drama, no television. No one would watch 39 days of smiling people being kind and considerate to each other. at least one good thing came out of the Natalie win. Shambo’s vote meant shit. Damn all those close ups to her face made me want to punch my TV. In all honesty Russell shoulda won. I knew Natalie had a good chance to win tho, in the previous Survivor thread. She had a good rapport with Galu, she actually talked to them, unlike Mick and Jaison. Russell was more of an ass to them. Convincing people that I should win yet acting like an ass to them doesn’t really work even with gameplay as a measuring stick. I think Russell burned way too many bridges. He tried to rectify some of that by taking Brett aside and saying he’s an all-around good guy. A little too late tho, he shoulda sat more Galu aside and gave them a pep talk like he did with brett. Another surprising thing i noticed was Laura was actually gonna vote for Shambo to win if she was in the final three. There was some serious bitterness from the Galu sadly. ---
**Author:** ![Mehitabel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/8797f3/32.png) [@Mehitabel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mehitabel)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2009, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-12-20/522013/40 "2009-12-21T04:07:59Z")
I’m baaaack! OMFG, they just showed Russell’s wife. OMFG. What a trashy lady–I’d hide my eyes too. Russell completely failed at the social game and ended up with a jury so bitter they were grudgingly going to vote for gameplay until Erik gave most of them an excuse to vote for nice bland Nat, which they seized onto eagerly. What a weird weird season. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-12-20/522013.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-12-20/522013.md?page=3)