# Survivor Finale - 15/05/2005 - West Coast Edition (UNBOXED SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 15, 2005, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945 "2005-05-15T17:04:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2005, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/1 "2005-05-15T17:04:25Z")
I didn’t see a _Survivor_ thread for tonight’s episode, so I thought I’d start one. I like reading _Survivor_ threads, but if I’m not careful or don’t realise what time it is, I may see an unboxed spoiler. We on the Left have to avoid these threads for four hours, due to the time difference between here and the Right Coast and because people sometimes start posting early into the programme. So please box your spoilers until the show is over, over here! 🙂 Anyway, my guesses… Ian. Won the car. Will tradition hold? Is he doomed to lose the million? Tom. He knows he’s a target. Having made the Final Four, I have no doubt that he’ll vote Ian out at the first opportunity. He may have an advantage in an endurance challenge over the women. Katie. The second to go, if not TomIan? Katie already has Caryn’s vote against her. Maybe. Caryn might be pissed at Tom because he voted against her. (Notwithstanding that she was going to vote _him_ off if he hadn’t won immunity.) Jenn. She has Gregg’s vote if the’s in the Final Two. First to go, if not TomIan? I think that TomIan wants Katie in the F2. But TomIan knows that he must get rid of IanTom so that he will not be against him in the F2. Too risky when a million simoleons is at stake. Tom or Ian, whoever does not win immunity, will go. Jenn will be next. If Katie or Jenn wins immunity, Tom will be first because he is such a physical threat. The remaining man will vote out Jenn. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2005, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/2 "2005-05-15T17:42:57Z")
Pointing out the obvious: the final IC is _always_ a physical endurance test. If Tom is still there (and I don’t see how he couldn’t be), I can’t see him being beat in that challenge. Tom will then pick someone who isn’t Ian to go with him to the jury. So the order will be: - Tom or Ian get immunity, Jenn voted off. - Tom gets final immunity, Ian’s gone. - Tom and Katie go to the jury, Tom wins. ---
**Author:** ![NotWithoutRage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/22d042/32.png) [@NotWithoutRage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotWithoutRage)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2005, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/3 "2005-05-15T21:19:41Z")
There are two ways I’d like to see this go tonight: 1. Jenn is gone first. Tom wins endurance, takes Katie to the F2. Tom wins. 2. Jenn wins the first round of immunity (because we’d all be shocked! shocked!). She pairs up with Tom, as the previews hint, he convinces her to take Katie out of the game. Tom wins endurance, takes Jenn to the F2. Tom wins. I don’t see Ian going first, or coming in anything other than third. ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2005, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/4 "2005-05-15T23:27:08Z")
> [@NotWithoutRage](#): > > I don’t see Ian going first, or coming in anything other than third. I’m an East Coaster, but after this very post, I promise not to post anything until tomorrow morning. Anyway … sadly (because everyone already knows how I feel about my beloved Ian), I believe **NotWithoutRage** ’s statement to be correct. I hope I am wrong, but my gut tells me I am not. We shall see what we shall see, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![brownie55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f14d63/32.png) [@brownie55](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brownie55)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2005, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/5 "2005-05-15T23:50:34Z")
Geeze Rockle, don’t you like your men old enough to grow a real beard? I see Ian, and I see everybody I know at 14 in the beard department. I just looks so immature. But I hope that there is a backlash vote and Jenn wins. Just to show that being manipulative costs you in the end. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2005, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/6 "2005-05-16T00:41:19Z")
I just need to repeat here, Ian may be the biggest idiot to ever make it to the final four. Watch the first hour and try to disagree with me, I dare you. ---
**Author:** ![Batsinma\_Belfry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea5d25/32.png) [@Batsinma\_Belfry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Batsinma_Belfry)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2005, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/7 "2005-05-16T00:48:39Z")
He’s not even close to being the biggest idiot. He may be one of the nicest people on there, ever. That’s his problem, you can’t be nice to _everybody._ ---
**Author:** ![NotWithoutRage](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/22d042/32.png) [@NotWithoutRage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NotWithoutRage)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2005, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/8 "2005-05-16T01:14:20Z")
That was pathetic. No spoilers. That was pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2005, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/9 "2005-05-16T01:19:49Z")
> [@hillbilly queen](#): > > He’s not even close to being the biggest idiot. He may be one of the nicest people on there, ever. That’s his problem, you can’t be nice to _everybody._ No, his problem was he was trying to have it both ways: he was trying to be The Good Guy (which he apparently IS, by nature) AND play the game by lies and half-truths. And because he WAS a nice guy, he wasn’t good at all at lying. He’s an idiot for trying to be the Con when he’s too nice to be the Con. ---
**Author:** ![Improv\_Geek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b3f665/32.png) [@Improv\_Geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Improv_Geek)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2005, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/10 "2005-05-16T01:28:37Z")
I tuned in late, I see Jenn was first out followed by Ian. Can anyone catch me up quickly? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2005, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/11 "2005-05-16T02:08:15Z")
The last time someone tried to make a West Coast thread for Survivor, it got locked because they don’t want duplicate threads. Just saying, to forestall the West Coast people who are going to be jumping six ways to Sunday all over **ronincyberpunk** … ---
**Author:** ![Batsinma\_Belfry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea5d25/32.png) [@Batsinma\_Belfry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Batsinma_Belfry)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2005, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/12 "2005-05-16T02:09:27Z")
Wow, Caryn cleans up real good. ---
**Author:** ![Improv\_Geek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b3f665/32.png) [@Improv\_Geek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Improv_Geek)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2005, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/13 "2005-05-16T02:12:32Z")
Ack! West Coast! My bad. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2005, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/14 "2005-05-16T02:14:10Z")
Ian is a class act…I give him mad props. But I still say he was an idiot at the game. ALL he had to do…THE ONE THING he had to do…was NOT take Tom along on the reward challenge. Nothing else, just that. Even if he didn’t take Katie and say, took Jenn, he could have told Katie he was worried if he left Tom with the two girls that Tom would have tried to get them to vote her off. But that one screw-up put him in the hole and he had to give up a million bucks to dig his way out. ---
**Author:** ![monster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@monster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monster)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2005, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/15 "2005-05-16T02:15:03Z")
This is the absolute first time the promos said I’d be shocked, and I actually WAS! ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Tiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@Mama\_Tiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Tiger)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2005, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/16 "2005-05-16T02:21:48Z")
Wow. That was definitely something. And how about that final immunity challenge? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2005, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/17 "2005-05-16T02:26:43Z")
**Ack!** Locked out of my own thread! :mad: Clicked on the link, but noticed the addition of ‘unboxed spoilers’ just in time. Oh, well. I tried. ---
**Author:** ![monster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@monster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monster)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2005, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/18 "2005-05-16T02:26:55Z")
I’m watching the after-show stuff and may I say that I still love Tom? Coby and James interacting made me laugh. Janu is beautiful and I can’t wait to hear what Steph has to say. ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2005, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/19 "2005-05-16T02:38:37Z")
Thank god for the addition of a spoiler warning in the title! 😃 I think this Survivor is a landmark. The first ever Survivor set the tone for everything else following to play like a bunch of coniving shitty liars and cheats. Sure, some made it pretty far being good guys (Rupert), and even got their own rewards for that, but basically, the worse you were as a person, the better chance you had of winning 1Million or 100K. Now, this show. The people who showed the most heart, the ones who stayed by their word, the one that worked harder than most, won. As big of a precedent setter as the first ever Survivor was, I think this one sets a new precedent. At least, we may see two different gameplans in the next one. Also, even tho I wanted Steph to win and still don’t think I would get along with Tom irl, I have to admit he won a good hard fight. I still think Steph got a raw deal, tho. Of all of them, she actually did play the hardest. On a weak team, she kept them in there. Then, they threw to her to the Koror wolves. Should’ve let her pick off people in individual challenges for a while, even up her odds. ---
**Author:** ![monster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@monster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monster)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2005, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/20 "2005-05-16T02:46:14Z")
Okay, Coby and Janu? Too freaking sweet. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945.md?page=2)