# Survivor Finale - 15/05/2005 - West Coast Edition (UNBOXED SPOILERS) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 15, 2005, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945 "2005-05-15T17:04:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![singular1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba9def/32.png) [@singular1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/singular1)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/101 "2005-05-17T14:32:28Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > OTOH, throwing trash in the ocean this season to honor the “fallen” survivors gave me pause. At least it eventually did get picked up. Upthread I mentioned that after the crew pulled out, someone went diving and retrieved the torches - they sold them on Ebay. **rockle** , good catch! I’ll let you know if they post the opicures and cartoons on the Stern website! ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/102 "2005-05-17T14:37:20Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > Is anybody besides me hoping for a _Poltergeist_-ish “Get away from our burial grounds” backlash? 'Cause _that_ would be a kickass season of Survivor. > > “Today’s immunity challenge … jump into the muddy pool with the skeletons, beat off the strangling clown, and then pull your own face off while looking in the mirror…” Throw in a couple of cute dorks in swim trunks and that could be the Best. Season. _Ever!_ ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/103 "2005-05-17T14:41:40Z")
> [@singular1](#): > > At least it eventually did get picked up. Upthread I mentioned that after the crew pulled out, someone went diving and retrieved the torches - they sold them on Ebay. Missed you earlier comment. Thanks for the edification! ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/104 "2005-05-17T14:58:00Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > And now my bitch of the day. I cannot BELIEVE that the producers are so freaking stupid that they lobbied to allow their players to live among the ancient ruins of the Mayans. That is so disturbingly disrespectful to the people of Guatemala that I am speechless. Could you imagine the outrage if some foreign t.v. producer wanted to camp out on our sacred Indian burial grounds for their reality show? I see your point; but bear in mind that not all ruins are necessarily sacred–just because it’s an ancient structure doesn’t mean its a temple or a burial ground. They could be playing on the Mayan equivalent of a Starbucks. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/105 "2005-05-17T15:05:07Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > They could be playing on the Mayan equivalent of a Starbucks. I can’t even begin to describe how humorous my mental image of that is. Thank you so much. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/106 "2005-05-17T15:25:39Z")
So that’s how the Mayan civilization fell- too many Starbucks. . . 😉 BTW- Ian goes into the Strong but Stupid Hall of Fame for Survivor wing with Colby. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/107 "2005-05-17T15:41:44Z")
I have a question - Jeff Probst said it was the **Maya** culture and that they would live among the **Maya** ruins, like the **Maya** people, and that it was called “The **Maya** Adventure.” Even the logo that popped up said **“Maya”**. Isn’t it Maya **n**? What happened to the “N”? Or is it now un-PC to call them Maya **n** s? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/108 "2005-05-17T15:51:02Z")
> [@BiblioCat](#): > > I have a question - Jeff Probst said it was the **Maya** culture and that they would live among the **Maya** ruins, like the **Maya** people, and that it was called “The **Maya** Adventure.” Even the logo that popped up said **“Maya”**. > > Isn’t it Maya **n**? What happened to the “N”? > Or is it now un-PC to call them Maya **n** s? 😕 Maybe, despite the images shown to the contrary, they will really be hanging around with a lot of Central American mallrats named Maya. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/109 "2005-05-17T15:58:16Z")
> [@rockle](#): > > Maybe, despite the images shown to the contrary, they will really be hanging around with a lot of Central American mallrats named Maya. I, for one, welcome our new mallrat overlords. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/110 "2005-05-17T16:00:30Z")
They’re synonyms. Often, Maya refers to the people, the land, and the language, while Mayan is used as an adjective. But not always. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/111 "2005-05-17T16:00:44Z")
Anyone else get “Reality Finale Hangovers”? It is kind of a MILD depressing feeling of knowing that we spent all season getting to know a little about these people and then the only other time we will get to see them is if we happen to catch them as “experts” on a VH1 or E! special. Unlike Athletes, Survivors won’t be back next season in Spring Training. ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/112 "2005-05-17T16:19:39Z")
> [@watsonwil](#): > > Anyone else get “Reality Finale Hangovers”? > > It is kind of a MILD depressing feeling of knowing that we spent all season getting to know a little about these people and then the only other time we will get to see them is if we happen to catch them as “experts” on a VH1 or E! special. > > Unlike Athletes, Survivors won’t be back next season in Spring Training. Unless they’re Amber and/or Boston Rob, who will never go away and, in fact, will probably be battling the cockroaches after the Bombs go off. Those two are seriously like the Reality Undead, zombies, walking around looking for brains. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/113 "2005-05-17T16:33:14Z")
> [@rockle](#): > > Unless they’re Amber and/or Boston Rob, who will never go away and, in fact, will probably be battling the cockroaches after the Bombs go off. Those two are seriously like the Reality Undead, zombies, walking around looking for brains. \Be very cautious. Such things are quite dangerous. They are the unquiet dead, hunting the living for the attention they need, feeding off of those easily fascinated by mundanity. They are…the _Lookatustwo_! _Thunder claps, lightning flashes_ \ ---
**Author:** ![interface2x](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c0e974/32.png) [@interface2x](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/interface2x)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/114 "2005-05-17T16:58:10Z")
> [@rockle](#): > > Unless they’re Amber and/or Boston Rob, who will never go away and, in fact, will probably be battling the cockroaches after the Bombs go off. Those two are seriously like the Reality Undead, zombies, walking around looking for brains. If you think they’re bad, don’t watch any of the “Real World/Road Rules Challenge” shows on MTV. Those people are like reality tv professionals for god’s sake. A couple of times a year, they come back for the competition. I think I’ve seen a couple on at least 5-6 seasons of various shows and I barely even watch them. ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/115 "2005-05-17T17:09:28Z")
> [@rockle](#): > > Unless they’re Amber and/or Boston Rob, who will never go away and, in fact, will probably be battling the cockroaches after the Bombs go off. Will “Rob & Ambuh Have a Baby” be the next show? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/116 "2005-05-17T17:15:29Z")
> [@BiblioCat](#): > > Will “Rob & Ambuh Have a Baby” be the next show? That’s not a reality show. That’s a terroristic blackmail plot! “If you don’t send us another million dollahs, we’re gonna breed!” ---
**Author:** ![singular1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba9def/32.png) [@singular1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/singular1)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/117 "2005-05-17T18:04:28Z")
[KKKendra]They just keep _breeding_ and _breeding_!!![/KKKendra} ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2005, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/118 "2005-05-17T18:28:16Z")
They’ll be everywhere. “Rob & Ambuh Decorate Their New House” on HGTV. “Rob & Ambuh Have a Baby” on TLC’s “A Baby Story.” “Rob & Ambuh Go To Marriage Counseling” with Dr. Phil. Then they can do Counsumer Counseling Credit commercials after they blow through their millions. ---
**Author:** ![Roadfood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9fc348/32.png) [@Roadfood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roadfood)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2005, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/119 "2005-05-18T17:24:49Z")
> [@CapnPitt](#): > > Now, if we flip it, would we be calling Tom stupid if he took Ian to the final two? Clearly, the best move for either of them would have been to take Katie to the final two. Personally, if it had happened that Ian had kept his dumb mouth shut, and Tom had ended up taking Ian to the final two, I would consider it somewhat stupid of Tom. But I would also respect him for keeping his word and his integrity. And, certainly, it’s not clear at all who would have won in a showdown between Tom and Ian. See, to me, Tom trying to keep his word to Ian, even if it meant possibly reducing his chances of winning, is worthy of respect, because it was a word given early on in the game and keeping your word in the face of possible adversity is true integrity. On the other hand, Ian’s boneheaded move of giving up the last challenge and making Tom promise to take Katy is, IMHO, **not** worthy of respect, or at least not as much respect. It wasn’t a move that kept Ian’s integrity intact, it was a move that was clearly motivated by his knowing that he hadn’t kept his integrity, he had iin fact been totally willing to go back on his word to Tom, and it was a “Please forgive me and be my friend again” gesture. I mean, yeah, it’s good to try to clean up your messes, but it just doesn’t deserve the same level of respect as keeping your integrity all along. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2005, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945/120 "2005-05-18T18:21:18Z")
Tom never promised to take Ian to the final two. They even said the last episode that they planned to go to the final THREE and then duke it out from there. So not only would Tom have been stupid to take Ian to the final two, it would have been beyond what he promised. BUT, if it were Tom and Ian head to head, I’d bet on Tom 5-2. He could look each of them in the eye and say that his tribe made it to the jury, sacrificing only Willard, laregly because of his strength. Ian was solid as well, but Tom was the soul of the tribe. TOM- Janu, Steph, Gregg, Jenn, Caryn IAN- Coby, Katie [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-15-05-2005-west-coast-edition-unboxed-spoilers/303945.md?page=5)