# Survivor Finale \[Please BOX your SPOILERS!\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 11, 2005, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-please-box-your-spoilers/335144 "2005-12-11T16:19:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-please-box-your-spoilers/335144/1 "2005-12-11T16:19:24Z")
Please remember that there are those of us who cannot see the _Survivor_ finale until three hours after the show ends on the Right Coast. **PLEASE BOX YOUR SPOILERS!** Here is how I think it will play out (speculation, not spoilers): [ul][li]Steph will be voted out.[/li][li]Lydia will fall in the endurance challenge.[/li][li]Lydia will be voted out.[/li][li]Rafe and Danni will go to the Final Two.[/li]The jury will decide that Rafe has been the best competitor and vote to give him the million.[/ul] ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 4:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-please-box-your-spoilers/335144/2 "2005-12-11T16:59:07Z")
Haven’t we covered this before? Several Dopers like to post during the show and Mods have said we can’t have a West Coast thread and an everybody else thread. Just don’t look after 5PM Pacific time! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-please-box-your-spoilers/335144/3 "2005-12-11T17:05:02Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > Haven’t we covered this before? Several Dopers like to post during the show and Mods have said we can’t have a West Coast thread and an everybody else thread. > > Just don’t look after 5PM Pacific time! All I’m asking for is common courtesy. I’m not asking that people not post; just that they use spoiler tags for those of us on the Left. 5:00 is a long time from the show, and I don’t think most of us keep a hawk’s eye on the clock. Just looking for a little consideration. But this isn’t a ‘West Coast thread’. It’s a thread for the season finale, just like any other thread. So how do you think it will end? ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-please-box-your-spoilers/335144/4 "2005-12-11T17:18:07Z")
[QUOTE=Johnny L.A.] Here is how I think it will play out (speculation, not spoilers): [ul][li]Steph will be voted out.[/li][li]Lydia will fall in the endurance challenge.[/li][li]Lydia will be voted out.[/li][li]Rafe and Danni will go to the Final Two.[/li][li]The jury will decide that Rafe has been the best competitor and vote to give him the million.[/ul][/li][/QUOTE] We can only hope. I’d be okay with anyone but Steph winning, although I’d prefer Rafe win. As for spoilers, I’m an East Coaster, and probably won’t get back in here before tomorrow morning anyway, but I thought once the show aired, it was fair game. It’s a huge PITA to spoiler-box everything. It might be running a little late because of football, too, remember. Any rumors on where the next one will be? Any stunt casting? Let’s hope not! ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-please-box-your-spoilers/335144/5 "2005-12-11T17:31:56Z")
> [@Johnny L.A.](#): > > I don’t think most of us keep a hawk’s eye on the clock. Just looking for a little consideration. You’re just looking for a little consideration above and beyond the standard of this board. I truly don’t understand how you can be so blase about not watching the clock when a show you want to see is on but delayed for you. When I tape sports events that I don’t see live, you bet your ass I know _exactly_ what time it is and exactly what tv channels, radio stations, and MB threads I need to avoid to not spoil it for me until I can see it. Just imagine that you’re an East Coaster who taped the show on a vcr so you could avoid commercials, and because it’s a vcr instead of a dvr you can’t start watching until it’s over. Same scenario as your time zone difference, and yet it wouldn’t require special dispensation to keep you happy. This scenario, incidentally, is exactly what I personally am doing tonight, and I foresee no problem whatsoever with unboxed spoilers in this thread. In fact, I would greatly prefer not having spoiler boxes, because they are as annoying to read as they are to write. ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-please-box-your-spoilers/335144/6 "2005-12-11T17:39:01Z")
> [@Ellis Dee](#): > > Just imagine that you’re an East Coaster who taped the show on a vcr so you could avoid commercials, and because it’s a vcr instead of a dvr you can’t start watching until it’s over. … > > In fact, I would greatly prefer not having spoiler boxes, because they are as annoying to read as they are to write. Exactly. There’s a lot of times I tape stuff because I’m going to be gone (and I only have a VCR) and come home in the middle of it, and have to wait to start watching it, since it’s on tape rather than DVR. Annoying, yes, but I can live with it. And I agree, reading through lots of spoiler boxes is just as much of a PITA as writing with them. I’m not trying to be a bitch, but we can speculate and have fun for a few more hours, and then some of you will just have to keep out. Sorry. It’s only 12:40 here, so we have plenty of time. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-please-box-your-spoilers/335144/7 "2005-12-11T17:41:58Z")
Once again, this thread is for discussion of the episode; not for discussing spoilers. For a general discussion of spoilers, please [go here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=349057). As for this thread, let’s keep it to the discussion of the upcoming episode. ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Tiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@Mama\_Tiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Tiger)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-please-box-your-spoilers/335144/8 "2005-12-11T18:34:52Z")
Papa T. and I discussed this a little while ago, and we’re agreed on this much (spec, not spoiler): 1. Steph will fail to get immunity somehow and will get voted out next. 2. Lydia will drop out of the final immunity challenge. 3. The final two will be Rafe and Danni. Where we diverge is that I then believe Rafe will win it all, whereas he thinks Danni will. Although either of us will be fine with either winning, which is a nice change. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-please-box-your-spoilers/335144/9 "2005-12-11T18:49:11Z")
**Mama Tiger** , In the previews on Thursday’s episode, it was (inadvertantly?) revealed who wins the next IMMUNITY challenge. Even though previews are fair game, I will box it for those who missed it and do not wish to see it. Rafe. He’s seen wearing the immunity necklace at the tribal council in the promos. ---
**Author:** ![Broken\_Wind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Broken\_Wind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broken_Wind)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-please-box-your-spoilers/335144/10 "2005-12-11T19:10:03Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > In the previews on Thursday’s episode, it was (inadvertantly?) revealed who wins the next IMMUNITY challenge. I saw that too and I just can’t believe that after 10(?) seasons of Survivor that the promo editors would make such an obvious screw up like that. It’s so blatantly obvious that I think they may be setting us up for some kind of twist that we don’t know about. (Like another Immunity Idol that trumps the Immunity Necklace or something - at least that’s what I’m hoping for!) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-please-box-your-spoilers/335144/11 "2005-12-11T19:17:12Z")
> [@Mama Tiger](#): > > Where we diverge is that I then believe Rafe will win it all, whereas he thinks Danni will. Although either of us will be fine with either winning, which is a nice change. I think Rafe will win because he’s been such a strong competitor. In past episodes the jury has often recognised the one who ‘outplayed’ the others. Rafe has consistently been good at the challenges. Why does Mr. Tiger think Danni will win? ---
**Author:** ![Mama\_Tiger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/6de8d8/32.png) [@Mama\_Tiger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mama_Tiger)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-please-box-your-spoilers/335144/12 "2005-12-11T19:59:40Z")
Papa Tiger thinks Danni will win because she’s played such a smooth game, managing to stay good with everyone even when she’s been totally on the outs with the main alliance. I think Rafe will win because he’s been doing such a good buildup through the season, starting off bumbling enough to be carried along by his alliance until he could then start forming his own alliance to carry him to the end. In any case, it should be interesting to hear with the jury has to say. I always hope, of course, for much bitterness and nastiness. With this crew, I’ll be very surprised if we don’t get lots and lots. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2005, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-please-box-your-spoilers/335144/13 "2005-12-11T23:57:58Z")
Based on what was given away Thursday night, and based on what I was hoping would happen anyway, I think it’s going to be Steph out first. But after that, I’m not so sure. Much as I would be pleased as punch with any outcome of a Danni-Rafe Final Two, I have this gut feeling that it won’t be that simple. Just because we _haven’t_ seen Lydia win a challenge doesn’t mean she _won’t_, and I fear this may be just the time when she pulls it out. No better time for it, either, you know? I also believe, for reasons I’m not even sure that I understand, that there is _waaaay_ more to Lydia than what we’ve seen. As much of a workhorse as she is around camp, and as useful as her always-available vote may be, I still think there has to be _some_ other reason why she’s been kept around all this time. It _can’t_ just be because nobody views her as a threat, because that would be outright stupidity talking, then. At this point in the game, _everybody_ is a threat of some kind. She may be playing everyone else for fools. We’ll see soon enough, I suppose. Go Rafe! Or, in case you’re out too soon, go Danni! Or Lydia! _Anybody_ but Steph! ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-please-box-your-spoilers/335144/14 "2005-12-12T00:00:26Z")
As much as I dislike Steph this season, I’d still rather see her win over Lydia. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-please-box-your-spoilers/335144/15 "2005-12-12T00:11:05Z")
> [@Mama Tiger](#): > > In any case, it should be interesting to hear with the jury has to say. I always hope, of course, for much bitterness and nastiness. With this crew, I’ll be very surprised if we don’t get lots and lots. 😃 I can’t wait to hear what Judd has to say! ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-please-box-your-spoilers/335144/16 "2005-12-12T00:54:48Z")
> [@middleman](#): > > As much as I dislike Steph this season, I’d still rather see her win over Lydia. Well, I guess that’s your albatross, innit? ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-please-box-your-spoilers/335144/17 "2005-12-12T01:12:44Z")
Why is Survivor being pre-empted by\* 60 Minutes\* on the east coast? Are they delaying the live portion, or are they going to “join the program already in progress” ? ---
**Author:** ![Slacker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@Slacker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slacker)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-please-box-your-spoilers/335144/18 "2005-12-12T01:13:27Z")
> [@Johnny L.A.](#): > > I can’t wait to hear what Judd has to say! I predict Judd will be the nastiest. Jaime will try to join in but won’t make a lick of damn sense. ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-please-box-your-spoilers/335144/19 "2005-12-12T01:16:20Z")
> [@Fear Itself](#): > > Why is Survivor being pre-empted by\* 60 Minutes\* on the east coast? Are they delaying the live portion, or are they going to “join the program already in progress” ? Fuck. Ing. Football. _Grr._ Per the scroll on my screen, it will start at 8:22 pm. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2005, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-please-box-your-spoilers/335144/20 "2005-12-12T01:53:54Z")
I can’t believe Rafe won immunity! Who saw _that_ coming? OK, everybody saw it coming. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-finale-please-box-your-spoilers/335144.md?page=2)