# Survivor: Game Changers Starts on Wednesday **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 6, 2017, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580 "2017-03-06T21:15:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/261 "2017-05-04T21:23:28Z")
OK, so you meant a double flip. That makes sense then. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/262 "2017-05-04T23:30:48Z")
I still think that Sarah, Cirie and Michaela should have voted Tai out when they had his own alliance aligned to throw him under the bus. Andrea might have been mad but he was still one of the “others.” And they could have agreed to vote Zeke out next vote. Michaela is becoming more likeable. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 4, 2017, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/263 "2017-05-04T23:54:56Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > Michaela is becoming more likeable. Agreed. I wonder if her feet are hurting her, because I kept wondering why she didn’t take her shoes off for the IC. Makes so much more sense to do that barefoot, like most of the folks. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/264 "2017-05-05T13:28:36Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > Exactly. > > Somehow the Andrea faction convinced 3 of the “outcast” 4 (Sierra, Brad, and Troy) to vote Tai, _and_ got Tai to vote Sierra, all while not letting Zeke realize he was the target. > > That’s both really good play and completely inexplicable by what we actually saw on the show… I agree that is an amazing play, they managed to get everyone on the bottom to stab each other in the back so now there is no trust among them, breaking up a voting bloc. Tai is already paranoid in general, so now he’s going to be all spun up after seeing so many votes for him. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 7:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/265 "2017-05-11T07:10:28Z")
Smart move would’ve been Andrea (she’s definitely a bigger challenge threat than… well, probably anyone) but they went with Sierra instead. Which isn’t a bad move, but I think Andrea would’ve made more sense. Sierra really dug her own hole though, telling Sarah she had the legacy idol and would gift it to her. Why not just ask Sarah to vote you out at that point? Also, huge laughs were had here at Tai waving at Sarah’s husband. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/266 "2017-05-11T12:57:05Z")
> [@magnusblitz](#): > > Sierra really dug her own hole though, telling Sarah she had the legacy idol and would gift it to her. Why not just ask Sarah to vote you out at that point? Yeah, I couldn’t believe she thought it was a good idea to put a reward on her own head. What really surprised me about the episode was how straightforward the editing was. They showed us that one faction wanted to breakup Brad/Sierra and was leaning towards Brad. They showed us the other faction was leaning towards Andrea. They showed us the ‘sides’ were in flux. They showed us Sierra guaranteeing that Sarah had an extra strong reason to go after Sierra. They showed us Brad winning the Immunity Challenge. I guess they really had no other options, what else did they have to fill the time with? Well, except for the glurge over people ‘get some love’ stuff. Hopefully next week will be back to thrills and chills. 😉 I mean, it almost has to be, right? Assuming a Final Three, we have five more players to eliminate, and there are three Hidden Idols, one Legacy Idol, and one Vote Steal to be played. Surely wacky interactions will happen. Final 3: Sierra, Aubrey, Michaela? ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/267 "2017-05-11T13:18:02Z")
> [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > Final 3: Sierra, Aubrey, Michaela? Sure. And the Caps win the Stanley Cup. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/268 "2017-05-11T14:17:16Z")
I miss challenges in which the loved ones participate. I suspect it’s a mistake in those “dig under the log and crawl under” challenges to try to go under when you think it might barely be possible, instead of digging for a few more seconds. I was dubious about whether Sarah could vote Sierra out and still inherit the advantage, but she pulled it off somehow. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/269 "2017-05-11T14:35:33Z")
> [@magnusblitz](#): > > Smart move would’ve been Andrea (she’s definitely a bigger challenge threat than… well, probably anyone) but they went with Sierra instead. Which isn’t a bad move, but I think Andrea would’ve made more sense. Sierra really dug her own hole though, telling Sarah she had the legacy idol and would gift it to her. Why not just ask Sarah to vote you out at that point? Agreed. Andrea is the biggest threat. > [@](#): > > Also, huge laughs were had here at Tai waving at Sarah’s husband. Yeah, that was pretty funny. Didn’t one of the girls say something like: “Wow, Sarah, your husband is hot”? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/270 "2017-05-11T16:23:50Z")
> [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > They showed us Sierra guaranteeing that Sarah had an extra strong reason to go after Sierra. That was one of the stupidest moves ever on Survivor. Definitely in the Top Ten. Telling someone about a idol that you can’t use tonite, then telling them if you get voted out they get that advantage.:eek: ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/271 "2017-05-11T16:25:38Z")
That’s assuming she will follow through if she gets voted out immediately. Risky gamble by Sarah. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/272 "2017-05-11T17:38:01Z")
> [@Dag\_Otto](#): > > Sure. And the Caps win the Stanley Cup. Ooops. Meant Sarah, Aubrey, Michaela. (Too damn many S names this season.) ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/273 "2017-05-11T17:48:13Z")
> [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > (Too damn many S names this season.) They needed to cast Shirin in this season. (from Worlds Apart and Second Chances) That way they could have Ciera, Sierra, Cerie, Sarah, and Shirin. Yes, pretty stupid move by Sierra. Apparently Sarah told Michaela about Sierra’s legacy advantage, but did not tell her that it was going to be “bestowed” to Sarah (or anyone) if Sierra got voted out. Michaela most likely thinks the legacy idol is gone. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/274 "2017-05-11T18:10:31Z")
From Dalton Ross’s recap: “She told Sarah she had an advantage that provided immunity at the final 6, but that if she was voted out she could give it to someone else, and that someone else would be Sarah. So, in essence, she said: “If you vote me out of the game I am going to give you immunity.” WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?!?!? You are basically telling someone to vote you out!!! Just writing those words down is getting me so angry all over again that I am resorting to hitting caps lock buttons while throwing out multiple exclamation points. Somebody stop me before I start talking to cats!” > **['Survivor: Game Changers' Recap: The Legacy Advantage Backfires](https://ew.com/recap/survivor-season-34-episode-12/)** > > A contestant learns the hard way that some information is better left unshared. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/275 "2017-05-11T18:34:39Z")
This is the nightmare scenario and maybe the death knell for extra immunity. What are there, four left with four chances to use them? Tai has two, and probably wont need them both, so he could give one of them away. That means half the field has a chance to use immunity (although Tai I could see eating both of his in a blindside.) He doesn’t seem too aware of what is going on. At least he’s kept them a secret. That’s too much of a disadvantage for those without one. The three pillars of the game (Outlast, etc.) become an afterthought. Final Tribal Council: Why did you \_\_\_\_\_\_? Tai: I don’t know Troyzan: I don’t know Michaela: Shut up bitch! ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/276 "2017-05-11T19:55:23Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I miss challenges in which the loved ones participate. I dislike those. It makes it too screwed up that one person’s loved one is their grandma and the other person’s loved one is their Olympic athlete son. > [@](#): > > I suspect it’s a mistake in those “dig under the log and crawl under” challenges to try to go under when you think it might barely be possible, instead of digging for a few more seconds. You have to dig a shallow but long trench. People instinctively go too deep and short. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/277 "2017-05-11T19:56:22Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > They needed to cast Shirin in this season. (from Worlds Apart and Second Chances) > > That way they could have Ciera, Sierra, Cerie, Sarah, and Shirin. You forgot about Sandra. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/278 "2017-05-11T20:11:00Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > From Dalton Ross’s recap: “She told Sarah she had an advantage that provided immunity at the final 6, but that if she was voted out she could give it to someone else, and that someone else would be Sarah. So, in essence, she said: “If you vote me out of the game I am going to give you immunity.” WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT?!?!? You are basically telling someone to vote you out!!! Just writing those words down is getting me so angry all over again that I am resorting to hitting caps lock buttons while throwing out multiple exclamation points. Somebody stop me before I start talking to cats!” > [Survivor: Game Changers recap: Season 34, Episode 12](http://ew.com/recap/survivor-season-34-episode-12/) On another site someone suggested that she should have explicitly used it as leverage, threatening to give it to Culpepper if they didn’t keep her around. I thought that made a lot of sense. > [@CarnalK](#): > > I dislike those. It makes it too screwed up that one person’s loved one is their grandma and the other person’s loved one is their Olympic athlete son. How’s that fundamentally different from the different ability levels of the players themselves? Production could keep that in mind and try to balance out the pairings when selecting which loved ones will visit. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2017, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/279 "2017-05-11T21:14:16Z")
[Quote=SlackerInc] How’s that fundamentally different from the different ability levels of the players themselves? Production could keep that in mind and try to balance out the pairings when selecting which loved ones will visit. [/QUOTE] Well, the very fact that they aren’t the players themselves. The loved ones are a reward. I don’t mean to say it’s totally wrong but I find it a little distasteful that they are essentially asking the players to compose a list of “loved ones” that requires them to consider game ability over how much they want a visit from them. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/280 "2017-05-12T14:24:11Z")
> [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > I guess they really had no other options, what else did they have to fill the time with? Well, except for the glurge over people ‘get some love’ stuff. Is it just me, or is the “here’s your loved one” scene getting longer and longer each season? It used the just be a quick “have a hug” now it’s a slow introduction to every one followed by “Tell me what your husband means to you.” Also, Zeke’s absence reveals the dearth of great talkers left in the show. Tribal was so boring with everyone saying plainly basic things. Step it up Aubrey. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580.md?page=15)