# Survivor: Game Changers Starts on Wednesday **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 6, 2017, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580 "2017-03-06T21:15:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/341 "2017-05-25T15:40:40Z")
> [@madmonk28](#): > > I thought Brad came across as kind of a racist douche and his short sleeve dress shirt with tie at the reunion show made him look like Bill Murray playing an assistant principal in a Wes Anderson movie. It reminded me of some kind of business casual version of Michael Douglas’s clothes in Falling Down. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/342 "2017-05-25T15:43:25Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Please, please don’t bring Tai back again. I’m sure he’s a great guy IRL, but he’s jus not cut out for this game. And really, as much as he loves the show, I don’t think it’s good for HIM. Every season he’s in he’s just squeezed into a moral position that’s abhorrent to him and it breaks him down completely. I’d rather he get to remain Tai the Buddhist Lover-of-all rather than having to force himself into the Tai the Survivor Schemer costume with the internal spikes. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/343 "2017-05-25T15:50:01Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > FWIW, Sarah was NOT on the right side of every vote, as technically no one was on the right side of the Cerie vote. The vote was 3 votes for Sarah, 2 votes for Tai, 1 vote for Aubry. That’s right: they did make one legit attempt to get Sarah out (Sierra must be doubly kicking herself). But then why did they drop it after that? > [@jayjay](#): > > And really, as much as he loves the show, I don’t think it’s good for HIM. Every season he’s in he’s just squeezed into a moral position that’s abhorrent to him and it breaks him down completely. I’d rather he get to remain Tai the Buddhist Lover-of-all rather than having to force himself into the Tai the Survivor Schemer costume with the internal spikes. Honestly, I find that whole bit somewhat disingenuous, given how often he betrays alliances. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/344 "2017-05-25T17:27:46Z")
Did anyone else catch that they accidentally spoiled Aubrey not making it to the final 3? In the live opening, the camera pans to show her with the rest of the losers, then quickly pans back to Jeff once they realize she’s in the shot. I don’t think she was supposed to be there. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/345 "2017-05-25T17:50:06Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Did anyone else catch that they accidentally spoiled Aubrey not making it to the final 3? In the live opening, the camera pans to show her with the rest of the losers, then quickly pans back to Jeff once they realize she’s in the shot. I don’t think she was supposed to be there. When he first walked in through the players sitting together? All the players were there including the final 3 - I definitely saw Brad, Troyzan and Sarah. I think the cameraman just didn’t realize Jeff was going to stop walking forward, so he just swooped back in. It’s on the CBS website - Sarah is in the back row on the right, between Zeke & JT, Troyzan is in the 3rd row on the left, next to Michaela, and Brad is in the 2nd row on the right, next to Tai. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/346 "2017-05-25T18:01:04Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > The next season looks ok, but Hustlers??? It sounds like they were grasping at straws trying to think of a name for a 3rd group that started with “H”. I would have preferred _Heroes, Healers and Hackers_. “Heroes” is actually the one I have the most problem with, since 1) we already had “Heroes vs Villains” and 2) there’s a lot of overlap between Heroes and Healers. I’m fine with Hustlers, though I admit my original thought was that it would be in the more negative connotation, like hustlers would be ambulance-chasing lawyers and used car salesmen. Instead we get stuff like “bellhop” or “mover.” (A partial cast list shows an actuary and a former NFL player, might also fall within that category?) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/347 "2017-05-25T18:50:16Z")
> [@magnusblitz](#): > > “Heroes” is actually the one I have the most problem with, since 1) we already had “Heroes vs Villains” and 2) there’s a lot of overlap between Heroes and Healers. I’m fine with Hustlers, though I admit my original thought was that it would be in the more negative connotation, like hustlers would be ambulance-chasing lawyers and used car salesmen. Instead we get stuff like “bellhop” or “mover.” (A partial cast list shows an actuary and a former NFL player, might also fall within that category?) Heroes last time was “good guys of the games”. This time it’s military, cops, and the like. Healers are doctors and folks in the medical community. I don’t see much overlap, if any. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/348 "2017-05-25T19:18:50Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Heroes last time was “good guys of the games”. This time it’s military, cops, and the like. Healers are doctors and folks in the medical community. I don’t see much overlap, if any. Is a full cast list out yet? Because I’m guessing there’s going to be some stretches, like always. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/349 "2017-05-25T19:39:26Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Is a full cast list out yet? Because I’m guessing there’s going to be some stretches, like always. I have no idea, but you’re probably right. Especially in the Hustler tribe. What I think they really mean is “low paid workers who do the shit work”. Like the “personal assistant” and the bell boy. They should do a City vs Country season. Or even like a Ryder Cup version: US vs Europe. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/350 "2017-05-25T20:59:23Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Is a full cast list out yet? Because I’m guessing there’s going to be some stretches, like always. Indeed. Can’t wait to see the post hoc justifications, LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Chicken\_Fingers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Chicken\_Fingers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chicken_Fingers)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/351 "2017-05-25T22:40:55Z")
Unofficial title of this season was Headcases, Hams, and Has-Beens. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/352 "2017-05-25T22:49:29Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Heroes last time was “good guys of the games”. This time it’s military, cops, and the like. Healers are doctors and folks in the medical community. I don’t see much overlap, if any. You don’t see how doctors and such could fall into a “heroes” category? 😕 I mean, yes, I understand Survivor’s distinctions, but I think they’re crappy names for the categories (forced by needing to go with an “H” name for each category). > [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Is a full cast list out yet? Because I’m guessing there’s going to be some stretches, like always. Haven’t seen a full cast list yet, but here’s a [partial one](http://insidesurvivor.com/cast/survivor-season-35-cast). List of professions, with my guess on tribes: [spoiler] Heroes: Ex-Marine, Wilderness Field Instructor, Firefighter, Lifeguard Healers: Urologist, Physical Therapist, Nurse Practitioner, Sport Psychologist/Therapist Hustlers: NFL Player, Brand Ambassador, Personal Assistant, Mover, Bellhop ???: Actuary, Grad Student, Program Associate[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/353 "2017-05-25T23:00:13Z")
> [@magnusblitz](#): > > You don’t see how doctors and such could fall into a “heroes” category? 😕 I mean, yes, I understand Survivor’s distinctions, but I think they’re crappy names for the categories (forced by needing to go with an “H” name for each category). If a doctor put his life on the line to save a patient, yes. A hero is someone who exhibits an unusual amount of courage, which rarely applies to doctors. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2017, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/354 "2017-05-25T23:20:42Z")
Right, would have to be a member of Medecins Sans Frontieres or someone like that. What is a “Program Associate”? Do we have a winner for the blandest, most generic corporate job title ever? A grad student is probably a hustler. And how can an actuary possibly fit any of those three categories? 😕 > [@Chicken\_Fingers](#): > > Unofficial title of this season was Headcases, Hams, and Has-Beens. LOL, nice. You coin that? ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/355 "2017-05-26T00:52:02Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > If a doctor put his life on the line to save a patient, yes. A hero is someone who exhibits an unusual amount of courage, which rarely applies to doctors. So the wilderness field instructor & life guard don’t count either, I’d assume. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/356 "2017-05-26T01:53:23Z")
I suppose there is an element of strength and “action” involved. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/357 "2017-05-26T06:32:20Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > So the wilderness field instructor & life guard don’t count either, I’d assume. I don’t know. Do they not put their lives on this line? If they don’t then I agree. I’m not tied to any _Survivor_ actions. ---
**Author:** ![erysichthon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@erysichthon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erysichthon)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 9:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/358 "2017-05-26T09:22:33Z")
> [@magnusblitz](#): > > You don’t see how doctors and such could fall into a “heroes” category? 😕 I mean, yes, I understand Survivor’s distinctions, but I think they’re crappy names for the categories (forced by needing to go with an “H” name for each category). After a few episodes, Jeff will say “Drop your buffs,” the three tribes will be rearranged, and the categories won’t matter anymore. Nevertheless I’m looking forward to a season with all new players—and maybe players who actually _applied_ (as opposed to being recruited). I’d be perfectly fine with never seeing Ozzy, Cirie, Sandra, etc., ever again on _Survivor_. Enough is enough. I wouldn’t mind a season of returning players if it was a “Sane vs. Crazy” lineup—Yul, Pavarti, Sophie, etc., vs. Phillip, Shambo, Coach, etc. But no Debbie. ---
**Author:** ![Patx2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/73ab20/32.png) [@Patx2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patx2)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/359 "2017-05-26T11:10:07Z")
I’m late, just watched the finale last night. I didn’t really care for Sarah through the season, but I have to give her props, she played to win. I had never had a problem with Culpepper, but the final episodes he came across as such a bully, I was happy to see him not take it. He can blame it on editing, but it was very obvious what he was doing. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2017, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/360 "2017-05-26T12:08:20Z")
> [@erysichthon](#): > > I wouldn’t mind a season of returning players if it was a “Sane vs. Crazy” lineup—Yul, Pavarti, Sophie, etc., vs. Phillip, Shambo, Coach, etc. But no Debbie. That’s a brilliant idea (though I’d definitely want Debbie). And you’d need both Hantzes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580.md?page=19)