# Survivor: Game Changers Starts on Wednesday **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [March 6, 2017, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580 "2017-03-06T21:15:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/381 "2017-05-30T19:23:56Z")
OK, I’m late to the party here, but I wanted to mention that I really liked the open-discussion Final Tribal format, and I hope they continue to do it this way. Seems like in recent seasons, half the jury didn’t even ask a question anyway; they’d use their turns for some sort of sour grapes rant, or praise for one of the finalists or something. This format actually seemed to pull better answers out of the final 3 than usual. And it was entertaining. Also, they need to either add another half hour to the reunion show, or else not wait until 15 minutes in to read the vote. I like it when everyone gets at least one chance to talk. This one felt rushed and was over way too quickly. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/382 "2017-05-30T19:30:54Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > OK, I’m late to the party here, but I wanted to mention that I really liked the open-discussion Final Tribal format, and I hope they continue to do it this way. Seems like in recent seasons, half the jury didn’t even ask a question anyway; they’d use their turns for some sort of sour grapes rant, or praise for one of the finalists or something. This format actually seemed to pull better answers out of the final 3 than usual. And it was entertaining. It also brought a lot of the behind the scenes talk to the front. It seems like recently we’d find out after the fact that the jury was thinking one way because of the Ponderosa discussions, and it didn’t really come out in the questions. The “Outwit, Outplay, Outlast” categories didn’t really make any sense though and weren’t really followed. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2017, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/383 "2017-05-30T20:09:50Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > The “Outwit, Outplay, Outlast” categories didn’t really make any sense though and weren’t really followed. They appear to be adding a 4th category: “Outwit, Outlast, Outplay, Outcharm” ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/384 "2017-05-31T06:09:44Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > OK, I’m late to the party here, but I wanted to mention that I really liked the open-discussion Final Tribal format, and I hope they continue to do it this way. Seems like in recent seasons, half the jury didn’t even ask a question anyway; they’d use their turns for some sort of sour grapes rant, or praise for one of the finalists or something. This format actually seemed to pull better answers out of the final 3 than usual. And it was entertaining. > > Also, they need to either add another half hour to the reunion show, or else not wait until 15 minutes in to read the vote. I like it when everyone gets at least one chance to talk. This one felt rushed and was over way too quickly. I agree strongly with all of this. But at least this time we didn’t waste time talking to celebrities or random kids in the audience. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/385 "2017-05-31T12:19:11Z")
Is there a published list of the rules for Survivor? I’m sure there is a vast contract-length document that goes over every possibility CBS, Mark Burnett, and the lawyers could think off. I think if the final vote was 3-3-3…they should do a “build fire” challenge for the win? Yes, on the live show. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/386 "2017-05-31T12:43:25Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Is there a published list of the rules for Survivor? I’m sure there is a vast contract-length document that goes over every possibility CBS, Mark Burnett, and the lawyers could think off. > > I think if the final vote was 3-3-3…they should do a “build fire” challenge for the win? Yes, on the live show. There’s nothing that CBS or Burnett has made publicly available. Several years ago a former player did publish his copy of the contract between the production co. and the contestants. It dealt more with the “No violence, no making deals to split the cash” aspects of it - nothing about tiebreakers. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Burden](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/958977/32.png) [@Jack\_Burden](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Burden)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/387 "2017-05-31T15:29:37Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > They DO need a rule for the case of every vote being disqualified due to HIIs. And apparently they do have such a rule - revote, with everyone who played an HII being safe. In this particular instance, they didn’t bother with the revote, since Cirie was the only possible person to vote for. But if Troyzan hadn’t played his idol, they would have had to revote with Cirie & Troy being the only possible victims. Clearly this is why the immunities were structured how they were, with Sarah’s advantage having to be used at F6 and the idols expiring after F5; there always has to be at least one person without immunity. Producers were no doubt thrilled to Get the perfect storm and end up with 5 immunities active on 6 players. Circe really does have lousy end-game luck. It was either her first or second season she pretty much had the game won at F3 but that season had a curveball going to F2 where she got voted out. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/388 "2017-05-31T16:10:38Z")
> [@Jack\_Burden](#): > > Circe really does have lousy end-game luck. It was either her first or second season she pretty much had the game won at F3 but that season had a curveball going to F2 where she got voted out. I dont get the Cirie love myself. She is lousy at challenges, never won, and thinks she some sort of super player. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/389 "2017-05-31T18:40:00Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > I dont get the Cirie love myself. She is lousy at challenges, never won, and thinks she some sort of super player. The first part is part of the reason… she’s useless at challenges, but she makes up for that by being one of the best social/strategic players the game has seen. Her convincing Erik to give up his immunity necklace and then getting voted out is still a top Survivor moment. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/390 "2017-05-31T19:10:11Z")
> [@magnusblitz](#): > > The first part is part of the reason… she’s useless at challenges, but she makes up for that by being one of the best social/strategic players the game has seen. Her convincing Erik to give up his immunity necklace and then getting voted out is still a top Survivor moment. Speaking of which, was that the last time someone gave up their necklace? Probst doesn’t even mention the possibility of doing so any more. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/391 "2017-05-31T20:28:18Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Is there a published list of the rules for Survivor? I’m sure there is a vast contract-length document that goes over every possibility CBS, Mark Burnett, and the lawyers could think off. > > I think if the final vote was 3-3-3…they should do a “build fire” challenge for the win? Yes, on the live show. Jury has 10 people now that there are three finalists. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2017, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/392 "2017-05-31T20:35:30Z")
> [@Ethilrist](#): > > Jury has 10 people now that there are three finalists. There were a few 9 person juries with a final 3 before. Haven’t been for a while, maybe because the realized the possibility of a 3 way tie. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/393 "2017-06-01T18:15:59Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Speaking of which, was that the last time someone gave up their necklace? Probst doesn’t even mention the possibility of doing so any more. Yeah, after the fiasco that happened the one(?) time someone did it (the “ice cream scooper”–Erik, was it?), for a while he would say something like “I assume you’re keeping this” and then he started acting like it was not a possibility. As dumb as Erik looked, I guess they don’t want someone looking ten times as dumb for not having learned the lesson from Erik’s example. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/394 "2017-06-01T18:21:26Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Speaking of which, was that the last time someone gave up their necklace? Probst doesn’t even mention the possibility of doing so any more. Did they change the rule? I forgot you could give it away. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/395 "2017-06-01T22:50:22Z")
The Survivor wiki just says “Jeff has stopped asking, but people can still give it up if they want” without a cite, though. I’m thinking there could be a great scenario where someone has both the necklace and a HII, and gives up the necklace so they can attract votes and then nullify them with the HII. Probably while being an outnumbered pair or something. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2017, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-game-changers-starts-on-wednesday/781580/396 "2017-06-01T23:08:34Z")
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