# Survivor: Guatemala Ep. 9 - "Secrets and Lies and an Idol Surprise" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 10, 2005, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-guatemala-ep-9-secrets-and-lies-and-an-idol-surprise/330435 "2005-11-10T17:48:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-guatemala-ep-9-secrets-and-lies-and-an-idol-surprise/330435/1 "2005-11-10T17:48:48Z")
Wasn’t “Secrets and Lies” the title of a new series on another network this season? Or have I gone bonkers again? Anyway, our episode description for tonight: > [@Yahoo! TV](#): > > After winning a clue to its whereabouts in a Reward Challenge, a castaway gives others false information about the Immunity Idol’s location. I stand by my [assertions](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6759982&postcount=24) and [suspicions](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6760889&postcount=48) from last episode and say that the location clue is a red herring. Somebody already knows where Zippy is (I’m saying either Rafe or Gary), but they’re not tellin’. Of course, I’m usually wrong about this stuff, so please don’t use me to win any bets. _No idea_ who’s going tonight. Could be anyone. I’m hoping it’s Stephenie, and if not her, then Judd, and if not him, then Jamie, and if not him, then I give up. Who do I _think_ will go? Bobby Jon, probably, or maybe Skeletor. On the positive side, that prediction is about as accurate as my horoscopes, so perhaps there is a new career in my future. Also, just so that there is no misunderstanding: last week, I linked to a picture of [Rafe](http://resources.survivorphoenix.com/postnuke/html/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1167), but I accidentally called him Judd. So sorry! Rafe is the pretty redhead. [Judd](http://www.terryyoungbloodphotography.com/Lowry%20Park214%20baboon%20closeup.jpg.jpg) is … _not so much_. We apologize for any inconvenience this error may have caused. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-guatemala-ep-9-secrets-and-lies-and-an-idol-surprise/330435/2 "2005-11-10T17:54:35Z")
> [@rockle](#): > > _No idea_ who’s going tonight. Could be anyone. I’m hoping it’s Stephenie, and if not her, then Judd… Judd’s a dick. He’d be a good one to take to the Final Two. ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-guatemala-ep-9-secrets-and-lies-and-an-idol-surprise/330435/3 "2005-11-10T18:12:13Z")
> [@Johnny L.A.](#): > > Judd’s a dick. He’d be a good one to take to the Final Two. Yes, but I want him off my television. Plus, he’s not nice to Howlie, and tha’ts just unforgivable. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-guatemala-ep-9-secrets-and-lies-and-an-idol-surprise/330435/4 "2005-11-10T18:12:48Z")
The previews give the impression that Rafe is going to flip his allegiance … but we all know the previews are crap. _sigh_ There should be good drama this week, what with Judd getting plastered. I think Rafe is just all around _embarrased_ to know Judd and Jamie. I understand how he feels. I’m just hoping that Gary already found Zippy, a.k.a. _WAAAAAAAAAALT!!!_ Yeah. That just _never_ going to stop being funny, I don’t think. ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-guatemala-ep-9-secrets-and-lies-and-an-idol-surprise/330435/5 "2005-11-10T18:16:39Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > Yeah. That just _never_ going to stop being funny, I don’t think. Nope. And for some reason I have the tune to “Ice, Ice baby” stuck in my head, and I’ve been going “Walt, Walt, Zippy” over and over and over again. _Ching ching ching ching-a ching ching, Walt, Walt, Zippy!_ ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-guatemala-ep-9-secrets-and-lies-and-an-idol-surprise/330435/6 "2005-11-10T18:17:44Z")
> [@rockle](#): > > _Ching ching ching ching-a ching ching, Walt, Walt, Zippy!_ By the time the show comes on tonight, I am going to want your head for that, I’m sure. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-guatemala-ep-9-secrets-and-lies-and-an-idol-surprise/330435/7 "2005-11-10T19:03:22Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > By the time the show comes on tonight, I am going to want your head for that, I’m sure. :eek: \*Alright stop, collaborate and listen Survivor’s back with a brand new edition Starvin’ in the jungle and chillin’ Backstabbin’ each other, tryin’ to get to the million Howlie’s at play, yo listen to him go Creepy little bugs in the night-vision glow To the extreme we’re watchin’ Probst do the snuffin’ While everyone sits there dreaming of muffins Walt, Walt, Zippy! Earnest and Walt, Walt, Zippy!\* ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-guatemala-ep-9-secrets-and-lies-and-an-idol-surprise/330435/8 "2005-11-10T19:18:44Z")
Coffee just _actually_ came out my nose. That doesn’t happen often. Nice job. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![FlightlessBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/cdc98d/32.png) [@FlightlessBird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlightlessBird)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-guatemala-ep-9-secrets-and-lies-and-an-idol-surprise/330435/9 "2005-11-10T19:56:38Z")
If the individual reward is a clue to individual immunity then that would suck. If this is the case, then it’s like there are 2 immunity challenges, and that just seems wrong to me. Reward challenges are supposed to bolster the winner either physically(food), emotionally(family) or spiritually (trip to a beautiful locale), and then they have to take that boost and use it to get immunity at a later challenge. ---
**Author:** ![middleman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@middleman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/middleman)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-guatemala-ep-9-secrets-and-lies-and-an-idol-surprise/330435/10 "2005-11-10T20:17:27Z")
I like it. I have been asking for dual immunity after the merge for several seasons; of course, I was really only asking you guys, who don’t seem to have any pull with Burnett Productions… As I think previews are almost universally misleading, and that more often than not when the previews point at one person, then conventional strategy is going to be applied. I am calling Bobby Jon. ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-guatemala-ep-9-secrets-and-lies-and-an-idol-surprise/330435/11 "2005-11-10T20:39:17Z")
> [@FlightlessBird](#): > > If the individual reward is a clue to individual immunity then that would suck. If this is the case, then it’s like there are 2 immunity challenges, and that just seems wrong to me. > Reward challenges are supposed to bolster the winner either physically(food), emotionally(family) or spiritually (trip to a beautiful locale), and then they have to take that boost and use it to get immunity at a later challenge. Well, it’s probably only _part_ of the Reward, which means that it’s most likely going to be a lame, throwaway clue. To wit: “Zippy is hidden somewhere between 15 and 15,000 paces from camp.” No indication of direction, actual location, etc. I mean, the Editors have shown _us_ where Zippy is hiding, but of course the Survivors can’t see where he is. For all they know, Zippy is 25 feet up in a bird’s nest in a big tall tree. Howlie could be using him for scratching, or attracting a mate. I imagine that finding Zippy would give someone a huge psychological boost at a later challenge. It’s amazing what people are capable of when they know they have nothing to lose. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-guatemala-ep-9-secrets-and-lies-and-an-idol-surprise/330435/12 "2005-11-10T21:08:19Z")
I missed the first ten minutes last week, and the explanation of Zipp_AAAAAAALT!!_ Where is he? ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-guatemala-ep-9-secrets-and-lies-and-an-idol-surprise/330435/13 "2005-11-10T22:03:48Z")
> [@Draelin](#): > > I missed the first ten minutes last week, and the explanation of Zipp_AAAAAAALT!!_ Where is he? Hidden somewhere in the jungle surrounding camp. Occasionally when the Survivors get bored and then run off into the jungle to look for him, one of the Editors will throw in a nice shot of someone running right past. We can see Zippy because they surround him with this sort of Golden Halo Effect, so he looks like a statue of Saint Zippy or something. Unless they were lying last week (game show editors? never!), Survivors ran past him approximately 583,000 times. They didn’t show whether anyone found him or not, but we have our suspicions (see post #1 in this thread, which conveniently include linkety-links). ---
**Author:** ![BiblioCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ed8c4c/32.png) [@BiblioCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BiblioCat)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-guatemala-ep-9-secrets-and-lies-and-an-idol-surprise/330435/14 "2005-11-10T22:26:25Z")
> [@rockle](#): > > … Saint Zippy or something. And with that, I decree his name is now Saint Zippy. 😃 And I hope Rafe, of the gorgeous blue eyes and winning smile, finds him. (Yes, I know he’s gay. He can still be my pretend TV boyfriend.) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Big\_Cheese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@The\_Big\_Cheese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Big_Cheese)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-guatemala-ep-9-secrets-and-lies-and-an-idol-surprise/330435/15 "2005-11-10T22:34:33Z")
So if someone finds it tonight, it’s gotta be a guy. Where is a woman going to hide it? Danni might be able to stick it under her hat, if she’s wearing it at the time. ---
**Author:** ![FlightlessBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/cdc98d/32.png) [@FlightlessBird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlightlessBird)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-guatemala-ep-9-secrets-and-lies-and-an-idol-surprise/330435/16 "2005-11-10T22:37:02Z")
> [@](#): > > Unless they were lying last week (game show editors? never!), Survivors ran past him approximately 583,000 times. It was a definite lie, they were quick cuts. Never was the idol in the same shot as a person looking for it. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2005, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-guatemala-ep-9-secrets-and-lies-and-an-idol-surprise/330435/17 "2005-11-10T23:19:13Z")
> [@BiblioCat](#): > > And I hope Rafe, of the gorgeous blue eyes and winning smile, finds him. (Yes, I know he’s gay. He can still be my pretend TV boyfriend.) What is it with you ladies and gay guys? It’s bad enough that we have to compete with other straight guys, but then you throw in the gay guys, too. It ain’t fair, I tell ya! 🙂 Bobby-Jon better get immunity tonight or he’s history. Maybe instead of putting out the looser’s torch, Jeff will have Ann-Lucia jump out of the jungle and shoot him/her. ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-guatemala-ep-9-secrets-and-lies-and-an-idol-surprise/330435/18 "2005-11-11T00:10:40Z")
> [@John Mace](#): > > What is it with you ladies and gay guys? It’s bad enough that we have to compete with other straight guys, but then you throw in the gay guys, too. It ain’t fair, I tell ya! 🙂 Well, if you can French braid, we’ll talk. ---
**Author:** ![Draelin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ce73a5/32.png) [@Draelin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Draelin)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-guatemala-ep-9-secrets-and-lies-and-an-idol-surprise/330435/19 "2005-11-11T01:17:07Z")
Was that gentlemanship, or strategery? I can’t decide. ---
**Author:** ![KSO](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f07891/32.png) [@KSO](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KSO)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2005, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-guatemala-ep-9-secrets-and-lies-and-an-idol-surprise/330435/20 "2005-11-11T01:31:30Z")
Wow. I really hate Judd. Princess Stephenie too. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-guatemala-ep-9-secrets-and-lies-and-an-idol-surprise/330435.md?page=2)