# Survivor Heroes and Villains starts tonight (2/11) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 11, 2010, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567 "2010-02-11T18:03:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/21 "2010-02-11T22:05:56Z")
I don’t think I will get to see it, but I hope Russell is the last person to show up and Boston Rob (or Parvati or Sandra) goes: “Who the F\*\*\* are you, and why are you on MY tribe?” ---
**Author:** ![BMada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@BMada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMada)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/22 "2010-02-11T22:13:52Z")
I doubt anyone would do that, I think the other known Survivors would get together and start asking “who the F\*\*\* is this guy?” and then begin Russell’s downfall. These previous Survivors would be keeping an eye on him. Ask questions like why is he a villian? what is his personality? what is his gameplay style? He’ll be under the microscope from the moment all the other Survivor alum can’t pinpoint him from a previous season. I’d like to see him go far with good gameplay. I doubt he can do it again. I think he’s burnt out. What with his pouting and all after his season’s outcome. ---
**Author:** ![Skammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skammer/32/143_2.png) [@Skammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skammer)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/23 "2010-02-11T22:18:00Z")
What was Russel’s gameplay style? I keep seeing how it was new and different and successful, but what exactly did he do differently? ---
**Author:** ![BMada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@BMada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMada)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 10:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/24 "2010-02-11T22:23:43Z")
He controlled a lot of the tribal councils. Not all of them, when he didn’t know he played his Hidden Imm Idols. He found 3, 2 with no clues, third with a clue and competition to find it amongst the reward challenge getters. He was brash, he took out people that threatened his secrets. For one instance he told a dude he had HII. He didn’t want him to know, but it just came out. Rather than just tell him to keep a secret, he made it so that guy will get voted out. He instilled ideas that people were doing things that they weren’t. He lied, cheated and the whole deal. He was smug and he was pretty egotistical in his alone time interviews. Pretty much calling out all his fellow contestants as idiots that have no clue wtf they’re doing. He was also a physical force. He found food and didn’t share with his tribemates. He was in it for himself. He didn’t care to be a “provider” for the tribe, he cared for himself only. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/25 "2010-02-11T22:26:52Z")
> [@BMada](#): > > I doubt anyone would do that, I think the other known Survivors would get together and start asking “who the F\*\*\* is this guy?” and then begin Russell’s downfall. These previous Survivors would be keeping an eye on him. Ask questions like why is he a villian? what is his personality? what is his gameplay style? He’ll be under the microscope from the moment all the other Survivor alum can’t pinpoint him from a previous season. I’d like to see him go far with good gameplay. I doubt he can do it again. I think he’s burnt out. What with his pouting and all after his season’s outcome. Sure this season is being promoted as Heroes versus Villians, but do the contestants know at the time of the game that they are being pigeon-holed into a “Villain” persona or a “Hero” persona? ---
**Author:** ![BMada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@BMada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMada)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 10:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/26 "2010-02-11T22:29:30Z")
I think they do, they usually tell the people of the Gimmicks of the season. Like the race one, the sex one. Probably not from the get go. They’ll know of the plans when they start off and make/form the tribes. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/27 "2010-02-11T22:47:58Z")
You could be right, but for some reason, I don’t think they will be revealing this twist. It is a 2 hr episode tonight, so I hope they develop more than just of a couple of stories. ---
**Author:** ![BMada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@BMada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMada)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/28 "2010-02-11T23:27:12Z")
hey, i’m just happy there’s no Shambo in this one. Whatever they do with the Hero v Villian gimmick I’m all good with it. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/29 "2010-02-11T23:34:05Z")
Watching/reading the cast bios, castmembers were asked which player from previous shows they respected the least, and Russel’s name is mentioned by people not from his season. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/30 "2010-02-11T23:37:33Z")
Tivo spoiler: Tivo’s blurb seems to indicate that there are several injuries that threaten evacuation **before** the first Challenge is complete. Which, if true, means that it’s Game _On_! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/31 "2010-02-11T23:38:44Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Tivo spoiler: > > Tivo’s blurb seems to indicate that there are several injuries that threaten evacuation **before** the first Challenge is complete. > > Which, if true, means that it’s Game _On_! 😃 Probst said the same thing during an little preview for the season. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/32 "2010-02-11T23:40:07Z")
> [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](#): > > Watching/reading the cast bios, castmembers were asked which player from previous shows they respected the least, and Russel’s name is mentioned by people not from his season. Russell’s season had not aired when the filming took place for H vs. V, so they must have solicited those comments recently. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2010, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/33 "2010-02-11T23:56:29Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > Russell’s season had not aired when the filming took place for H vs. V, so they must have solicited those comments recently. IIRC, the Panama Season (Rupert) had not aired before the ASS (All Stars) was filmed. And the China Season (James and Amanda) was not aired before the the Fans vs Favorites was filmed I just wonder if the TPTB gives some sort of heads up to the previous contestants because theoretically they could be disadvantaged by the lack of knowledge. I don’t think they can’t show them episodes yet because I doubt the episodes were completely edited yet. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/34 "2010-02-12T00:39:04Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > IIRC, the Panama Season (Rupert) had not aired before the ASS (All Stars) was filmed. > > And the China Season (James and Amanda) was not aired before the the Fans vs Favorites was filmed They had both started airing (but not finished) before the All-Stars were filmed, so they at least had an idea of who these people were. Heroes v. Villains finished filming the day before the last season even started. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/35 "2010-02-12T01:18:03Z")
It’ll definitely be interesting to see if Russell is advantadged or disadvantadged by being the only unknown. I’m thinking disadvantadged, but you never know - people do weird things. I think we’ll see a repeat of All-Stars in that all the previous winners will be the first ones on the chopping block. I think there’s 4 - Sandra, Pavarti, J.T., and Tom. Rupert and Boston Rob might also count since they’ve won money from the show (though not by winning). I also wonder if the Villain team might be disadvantadged from the start just because the “villainous” players tend to be weaker physically, whereas the “heroes” tend to be stronger physically. The team challenges tend to be physical and not mental, so the Villain tribe could be in a hole early. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/36 "2010-02-12T01:50:53Z")
> [@magnusblitz](#): > > I also wonder if the Villain team might be disadvantadged from the start just because the “villainous” players tend to be weaker physically, whereas the “heroes” tend to be stronger physically. The team challenges tend to be physical and not mental, so the Villain tribe could be in a hole early. Well, I think Boston Rob was right. Their women are stronger, I think. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/37 "2010-02-12T02:26:25Z")
Well I was totally off base on my hypothesis that they wouldn’t tell the heroes that they were the heros, etc. Physically I think the heroes are much stronger. In the match-ups below, I don’t see an obvious villain win, Strongest to weakest IMO Heroes v Villains James vs Russell Colby vs Rob Rupert vs Randy JT vs Tyson Tom vs Coach Stephanie vs Jerry Amanda vs Danielle Candice vs Parvati Cirie vs Sandra Sugar vs Courtney ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/38 "2010-02-12T02:55:26Z")
Sugar! ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/39 "2010-02-12T02:56:58Z")
Sugar should have been voted for the simple reason that she couldn’t figure out how to use the pen to write down a name on the parchment. ---
**Author:** ![BMada](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/96bed5/32.png) [@BMada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMada)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/40 "2010-02-12T03:03:00Z")
wtf for next week’s previews Boston Rob collapses in the jungle and looks like he’s done [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567.md?page=3)