# Survivor Heroes and Villains starts tonight (2/11) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 11, 2010, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567 "2010-02-11T18:03:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/61 "2010-02-12T16:07:14Z")
> [@Ruffian](#): > > I don’t remember why Danielle is a villain and Candice is a hero. Would someone clue me in as to why they suck and rule, respectively? I think Candice is a hero(ine) for switching teams. Penner joined her. I don’t get it. I heard they flipped her and Sandra, actually. I only remember Danielle for her buggy eyes. No idea what’s up with her. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/62 "2010-02-12T16:20:05Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I only remember Danielle for her buggy eyes. No idea what’s up with her. I remember that awful, awful pink and white KC Chiefs straw cowboy hat she wore the ENTIRE DAMN SEASON! ---
**Author:** ![Ruffian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/71e660/32.png) [@Ruffian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruffian)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/63 "2010-02-12T16:33:53Z")
[Probst’s blog is up](http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/02/12/jeff-probst-blogs-the-survivor-heroes-vs-villains-premiere/). It seems he, too, didn’t think Sugar was up to doing Survivor again. ---
**Author:** ![FlightlessBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/cdc98d/32.png) [@FlightlessBird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlightlessBird)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/64 "2010-02-12T16:41:07Z")
I think Candice is a villain, but she’s so damn good that she’s got the producers thinking she’s a hero! I loved Parvati calling Russel out on his strategy. She has him cold, but she should use it earlier rather than sit on the information. Russell’s strategy is to convince everyone that they are his final 2 dream and she can blow the lid on that one at anytime. Of course I’d love to see him be final 2 and then lose again. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/65 "2010-02-12T16:45:11Z")
> [@FlightlessBird](#): > > I think Candice is a villain, but she’s so damn good that she’s got the producers thinking she’s a hero! > I loved Parvati calling Russel out on his strategy. She has him cold, but she should use it earlier rather than sit on the information. Russell’s strategy is to convince everyone that they are his final 2 dream and she can blow the lid on that one at anytime. Of course I’d love to see him be final 2 and then lose again. Remember, too, that he doesn’t really know yet that this (and his sharing of his general opinion of his tribemates at tribal) wasn’t a winning strategy. The outcome of his season wasn’t revealed until after this current HvV season was already over. He doesn’t know he lost. He doesn’t know WHY he lost. I don’t think he made it to Final 2 in the current season, because he was really, really upset when he didn’t win Samoa…more so than if he thought there was a chance of him still winning HvV. Of course, this is speculation, not spoilage. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/66 "2010-02-12T16:52:09Z")
> [@BMada](#): > > really? i don’t remember the girl doing it. I did remember Yao-Man but he used something other than brute force and wood. I was almost certain this was a survivor first. Oh well, it was an accomplishment… no idea why it would be, don’t people prepare for these things? UFR, It was Michelle in the Fiji islands and s[he used glasses](http://www.funtrivia.com/en/Television/Survivor-Fiji-16365.html), not brute force. I believe that first incident of anyone on survivor making fire w/o flint or something easier. ---
**Author:** ![ThePylon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@ThePylon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThePylon)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/67 "2010-02-12T17:59:00Z")
I forget - did Rupert always sound that hammered, or is he into the painkillers for his toe? He seemed totally out of it… ---
**Author:** ![Elret](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Elret](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elret)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/68 "2010-02-12T18:10:40Z")
I never got the love for Rupert. He always struck me as delusional and incoherant. Sort of like a male Shambo. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/69 "2010-02-12T18:12:39Z")
From [Dalton Ross’s blog](http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20343684,00.html): > [@](#): > > Coach started rocking a man-crush on the Beantowner. ‘‘I’m a little in awe of Rob,’’ Coach informed us, before letting Rob know that, ‘‘When you talk, I’m literally hanging on your every word.’’ Okay, that would be really, really creepy if we weren’t too distracted by Coach’s other budding showmance with Jerri. Seriously, what the hell? Am I the only one freaked out by this potential union? The Black Widow and the Dragon Slayer? And just imagine if they had a kid? That child would have the craziest hair ever! Let’s hope there’s no ‘‘iron sharpening iron’’ on this front, if you know what I mean. (P.S. I have no idea what I mean.) I don’t know what you mean either, but I share your hope that we don’t have to witness it. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/70 "2010-02-12T18:20:57Z")
Put me down as someone who really loves Boston Rob now. He really has grown… - His first incarnation, the Robfather, was Rob as the ultimate tool. Leading a bunch of losers and he was too oblivious to realize they were losers. - In All-Stars, he learned from his past mistakes and worked on being a much better judge of character while also playing a great mind game on the other players. - In Amazing Race, he showed everyone how it’s done by being part of one of the most competetive teams ever. - And now, he’s basically the only likeable Villain there is. Basically, I hope he wins. And I think he will because his seasons of Survivor were so long ago that no one’s really paying attention to him. Plus, he’s got Sandra, Coach and probably Jerri in his pocket. Parvati probably knows she’s better with Boston Rob than Russel as well. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/71 "2010-02-12T18:27:23Z")
Russel’s little beady eyes never stop conniving. Rob is indeed becoming quite the little butterfly. I hope he’s ok. I thought the smear-the-survivor challenge was awesome and I was floored that Coach was able to manhandle Colby like that. ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/72 "2010-02-12T19:11:22Z")
Man, I am so loving this season already. So many great players: Russell, Cirie, J.T., Amanda, Parvati, Tom… So many entertaining players: Russell, Cirie, James, Randy, Tyson, Coach, Rupert… And the one I had the least interest in seeing again gone in the first episode. (Though the topless flip-off was endearing…) I think Russell knows his old tricks won’t work again. As he’s said, he’s not with “dummies” anymore. At first I was surprised he didn’t look for idols again, and though maybe they edited it out, but in retrospect, I doubt he bothered. The players might not know him, but the producers do, and he’s smart enough to know they won’t let him pull that stunt so easily again. Not enough snide comments from Randy yet. I hope they’ll come soon. My wife didn’t remember Tyson at all until he said that Colby “might as well just become a woman [for being beaten by Coach]”. and then she instantly said, “oh yeah, now I remember him.” 🙂 Another confessional star. Good to see that Cirie gets some well-deserved respect from the Tom et al, even though it paints a target on her. I love those physical challenge too, a guilty pleasure, I guess. My wife hates them. I’d forgotten how endearing James is… (I’m compelled to mention that Hot-Amanda is hot as ever… and it seems she learned from her past mistakes a bit. Still brought out the doe-eyes once at tribal, though.) **Ruffian** , by my count, there are 4 winners (Tom, J.T., Parvati, Sandra) and a whopping 8 who were in the finals (Sugar, Amanda(twice), Danielle, Colby, Russell, Stephenie, Boston Rob, Courtney), with most (all?) of the others having at least made the jury. It truly is a good bunch of players, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/73 "2010-02-12T21:13:41Z")
Yeah, I’m really digging this season already too. I think it’s more fun when you already know the players, and they’re all great, in their own way… I doubt we’ll be going into the finals thinking “man, I wish X would get eliminated already, they contribute nothing to this game at all.” It’s certainly also a bit mind-boggling that Colby is a decade older from when we first saw him. I feel old. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/74 "2010-02-12T21:42:39Z")
Just because I like sorting lists, here’s where everybody’s been before Amanda: 15 China, 16 Micronesia (Fans vs Favorites) Candice: 13 Cook Islands Cirie: 12 Panama, 16 Micronesia (Fans vs Favorites) Coach: 18 Tocantins Colby: 2 Australia, 8 All-Stars Courtney: 15 China Danielle: 12 Panama James: 15 China, 16 Micronesia (Fans vs Favorites) Jerri: 2 Australia, 8 All-Stars JT: 18 Tocantins Parvati: 13 Cook Islands, 16 Micronesia (Fans vs Favorites) Randy: 17 Gabon Rob: 4 Marquesas, 8 All-Stars Rupert: 7 Pearl Islands, 8 All-Stars Russell: 19 Samoa Sandra: 7 Pearl Islands Stephenie: 10 Palau, 11 Guatemala (I can’t remember the story of why Stephenie came back-to-back) Sugar: 17 Gabon Tom: 10 Palau Tyson: 18 Tocantins Here it is by season: 2 Australia: Colby, Jerri 4 Marquesas: Rob 7 Pearl Islands: Rupert, Sandra 8 All-Stars: Colby, Jerri, Rob, Rupert 10 Palau: Stephenie, Tom 11 Guatemala: Stephenie 12 Panama: Cirie, Danielle 13 Cook Islands: Candice, Parvati 15 China: Amanda, Courtney, James 16 F vs F: Amanda, Cirie, James, Parvati 17 Gabon: Randy, Sugar 18 Tocantins: Coach, Tyson 19 Samoa: Russell Nobody from 1 Borneo, 3 Africa, 5 Thailand, 6 Amazon, 9 Vanuatu, or 14 Fiji ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/75 "2010-02-12T21:48:17Z")
I thought Danielle was from the Guatemala season? Won it, in fact. Different Danielle? ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/76 "2010-02-12T21:58:37Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I thought Danielle was from the Guatemala season? Won it, in fact. Different Danielle? Danni the sportscaster won Guatemala. This is Danielle from Panama. I don’t remember her either. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/77 "2010-02-12T22:00:52Z")
Danielle was the Panama runner-up, according to both the CBS/Survivor website and Wikipedia. (Panama winner was Danni Boatwright). According to Wikipedia, the Guatemala winner was somebody named Aras Bauskaskas, who has completely escaped my recollection. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/78 "2010-02-12T22:07:00Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Danielle was the Panama runner-up, according to both the CBS/Survivor website and Wikipedia. (Panama winner was Danni Boatwright). According to Wikipedia, the Guatemala winner was somebody named Aras Bauskaskas, who has completely escaped my recollection. Are we reading the same Wikipedia entry for Survivor Guatemala? I see this: _Danni Boatwright became the sole survivor by defeating Stephenie LaGrossa by a vote of 6-1._ Aras Baskauskas won Survivor Panama. I think you’ve got it backwards. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2010, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/79 "2010-02-12T22:13:49Z")
I screwed up Aras The Irrelevant, but I got Danielle right. CBS’s bio for Danielle: Panama runner-up [http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor/bio/danielle\_20/bio.php](http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor/bio/danielle_20/bio.php) Wiki for Survivor: > **[Survivor (American TV series)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survivor_%28U.S._TV_series%29)** > > Survivor is the American version of the international Survivor reality competition television franchise, itself derived from the Swedish television series Expedition Robinson created by Charlie Parsons which premiered in 1997. The American series premiered on May 31, 2000, on CBS. It is hosted by Jeff Probst, who is also an executive producer along with Mark Burnett and the original creator, Parsons. > Survivor places a group of strangers in an isolated location, where they must provide food, f... Guatemala: Danni and Stephenie Panama: Aras and Danielle ---
**Author:** ![gonzoron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a6a055/32.png) [@gonzoron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzoron)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2010, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567/80 "2010-02-13T00:50:53Z")
oh, and my guess for Rob’s injury is some sort of venomous creature bite. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-heroes-and-villains-starts-tonight-2-11/528567.md?page=5)