# Survivor II - What did they have against Debb? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [January 29, 2001, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-ii-what-did-they-have-against-debb/52221 "2001-01-29T05:23:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![djbdjb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a87d85/32.png) [@djbdjb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/djbdjb)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2001, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-ii-what-did-they-have-against-debb/52221/121 "2001-02-16T22:41:07Z")
How could they be sure the piglet did not have Trichinosis unless it was planted. Regardless of his hunting prowess (“did you just put blood on your face? You’re crazy” - Elizabeth) I think Michael will be gone after Kimmi; maybe before. I think a vote would be like this Kimmi: Michael Jeff: Michael or Kimmi Michael: Kimmi or ? Alicia: looks like Kimmi from next week’s teaser Nick: ? Roger: ? Elisabeth: I will say Michael based on above quote ---
**Author:** ![Proudest\_Monkey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/proudest_monkey/32/13257_2.png) [@Proudest\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Proudest_Monkey)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2001, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-ii-what-did-they-have-against-debb/52221/122 "2001-02-16T23:31:22Z")
It was great that Keith effectively voted Mitchell out since it was his vote from last week that broke the tie. Too bad Mad Dog hadn’t cast her vote for Mitchell instead of for Jerri–what a delightful twist **that** would have been! Bearing in mind that we see what the producers want us to see, is there anyone who doesn’t loathe Jerri? They have created (or maybe she really is) a superb villainess. I hope she lasts until the final four–she may be a bitch, but she is a fascinating one! ---
**Author:** ![Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/bc8723/32.png) [@Nanook\_of\_the\_North\_Shore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanook_of_the_North_Shore)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2001, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-ii-what-did-they-have-against-debb/52221/123 "2001-02-17T00:43:33Z")
I’m proud to say I like Jerri. Putting aside the fact that she has nice boobs( 😉 ), I like the fact that she’s in this to win. I don’t see anything bitchy about her at all. She’s playing to win. This is a bad thing? Isn’t that the whole point? If you want to make friends and have a nice time, go on a vacation. So she’s conniving and manipulative. That to me is a good thing as far as the show goes. Outside the show? Not really a good thing, but you don’t know what she’s like outside it. Then again, you don’t really know what she’s like inside it either. Remember how everyone thought Richard was despised and hated and really didn’t stand a chance at winning? Remember how after it was over everyone from the show was saying he really wasn’t as bad as CBS/Burnett made him out to be? I think they’re doing the same thing with Jerri(not that I personally see why everyone hates her). ---
**Author:** ![Smeghead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/f1d935/32.png) [@Smeghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smeghead)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2001, 2:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-ii-what-did-they-have-against-debb/52221/124 "2001-02-17T02:15:17Z")
C’mon, whoever it was. You can kill and eat a wild pig safely. Trichinosis? All you have to do is cook the damn thing all the way through. No big deal. Why do you think they used to go hunting for food in the old days if they couldn’t eat anything they caught?? That said - Woo, Colby! It did my heart good to see him turn on that cow Jerri. I was glad to see he was smart enough to see through her bull and recognize her for what she is. I thought the surprise switch from Jerri to Mitchell was interesting. Doing it showed Jerri that the others can play the game, too, and she’s not as smart as she thinks. OTOH, if they’d just gotten rid of Jerri, they’d have been even safer. Maybe the old guys thought they could trust Colby to vote for Mitchell more than they could trust him to vote for Jerri. Kimmi: I respected you for keeping to your standards. Really, I did. I respected you even more for being so eager to eat the worm, even after it fell on the ground, to help the team. But you have to respect the others’ beliefs too. Not everyone is a quasi-vegetarian. Deal with it! [/Preach mode] Michael: RELAX! The posession of chickens does not mean your impending doom. You’re doing good. You’re obnoxious as hell, but your strategy seems to be working. [sub]I can’t believe I’m getting into this like this.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![MysterEcks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f475e1/32.png) [@MysterEcks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MysterEcks)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2001, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-ii-what-did-they-have-against-debb/52221/125 "2001-02-17T05:58:19Z")
I can’t believe I even started watching \*Survivor,\*let alone that I got into it enough to post in this thread. Anyway… **Connor** said: > [@](#): > > They said it was a small pig - how long do you think it will last? Not long, but that’s just as well–they have no way to preserve it. They should have cooked all of it immediately, but that only works up to a point–a big pig would have been largely wasted. The vote: if Jerri, Amber, and Mitchel were a voting bloc, then getting rid of Keith would have put them in charge permanently until the merger. (When is the merger, anyway?) As it stands now, Colby is in the driver’s seat–he can more or less dictate who goes next (assuming they lose the challenge) and be assured it won’t be him, barring an alliance between Jerri, Amber, and Tina. (Not that I’d rule that out–Tina strikes me as the one there I’d trust the least, even moreso than Jerri.) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2001, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-ii-what-did-they-have-against-debb/52221/126 "2001-02-17T06:03:12Z")
Did anyone else notice that CBS let a clue slip by during the episode? On a commercial break, they mentioned “the survivor voted off on tonight’s episode will make **his** first appearance on tomorrow’s episode of Good Morning America.” ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2001, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-ii-what-did-they-have-against-debb/52221/127 "2001-02-17T12:47:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Kinsey \*Well, like I said, I’m not trying to start anything, but she’s the one calling herself a vegetarian. In my opinion, it’s not fair for her to give the others any crap for eating meat, or be mad that he killed the pig. This is about survival. Like I said before, I think the Kuchas are doing better because they aren’t hungry and tired. > Did she any of the eggs? Or was she just not eating the chicken and pork? > \*\* A vegetarian friend of mine dismisses her as a “cute-itarian”. (‘Fish and worms are icky so they don’t count as meat’) Kimmi has repeatedly said she won’t eat mammals, but she wouldn’t eat the chicken. From this we can conclude that chickens are now mammals, despite what everyone learned in high school biology. Fenris ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2001, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-ii-what-did-they-have-against-debb/52221/128 "2001-02-17T14:06:05Z")
Minty Green, I completely agree with you that the pig looked like he was drugged. Several of my uncles were farmers so I know how pigs act. I wasn’t allowed in the pen with even the most docile pigs because they are so skittish. My cousin had his leg broken in three places when “Jethro,” a pig he had raised since birth, attacked him when he tried to corner him into his stall. When I saw how that wild pig just sat there and allowed Mike to stab it, my first thought was that they had drugged it. Either that or it was hand-raised and didn’t fear humans. Either way I think it was definitely planted. ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2001, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-ii-what-did-they-have-against-debb/52221/129 "2001-02-17T15:26:37Z")
Johnny L.A. said: > [@](#): > > WTF with Mitchel? He just rolled over and died! I wonder what went on to make him quit like that? Maybe I haven’t been paying enough attention, but somehow the guy got totally demoralized. He was – and had been saying so for the last couple episodes. He was drained and weak. As others noted, he is extremely tall – and THIN. At least one other contestant noted that they put on weight to prepare for their time. He sure didn’t. Yes, they caught fish – but only after over a week of having only rice. You don’t get back strength and muscle mass that quickly. Even a few fish aren’t going to bring him back to usefulness. He also wasn’t sleeping well (which was discussed the previous episode – in particular the night of a big rainstorm). Now the interesting thing will be to see if Jerri can get Colby back into her little gang. ---
**Author:** ![handy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5a626/32.png) [@handy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handy)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2001, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-ii-what-did-they-have-against-debb/52221/130 "2001-02-17T15:49:25Z")
That’s no wild pig, that’s a domestic pig. They dropped snakes in for Survivor 1 so they must have dropped in the pig too. ---
**Author:** ![kellibelli](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e480ec/32.png) [@kellibelli](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kellibelli)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2001, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-ii-what-did-they-have-against-debb/52221/131 "2001-02-17T17:27:50Z")
What really cracks me up is that if those lying scheming bastards on Ogakor hadnt kicked poor sweet Kel off, they would have won challenges, and he would have got them food!! And they know it! Instead of voting off the weakest members first, they voted off the strongest and hardest working! I hope they STARVE!!! My Grammy is in her 70’s, and she watched the episode where they turned on Kel - now she says she has to watch “until they vote that bitch off” - my _Grammy_ said **bitch**!!! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2001, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-ii-what-did-they-have-against-debb/52221/132 "2001-02-17T18:43:29Z")
[ol][li]It was a wild pig. The thick longish hair gave that away.[/li][li]On the other hand, I agree that the pig didn’t act normal. Either the pig was sick, or it was drugged and planted, IMHO.[/li][li]The pig didn’t look big enough to last very long as a food source, given the number of people who were divvying him up. If they had enough salt on hand, they could salt some meat down and preserve it that way, but I doubt that there was enough salt available.[/ol][/li] More pig lore: Pigs have no sweat glands, so they wallow in mud to stay cool. These wild pigs probably have a communal wallow somewhere. If the survivors could locate that, they’d really be in business. ---
**Author:** ![Montfort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Montfort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Montfort)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2001, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-ii-what-did-they-have-against-debb/52221/133 "2001-02-17T18:49:51Z")
Okay, assuming that the pig is native and was prolly pushed out of its natural habitat by the fire, why was it **alone**? Aren’t pigs social animals? Don’t baby pigs stay with their mommies? ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2001, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-ii-what-did-they-have-against-debb/52221/134 "2001-02-17T19:24:33Z")
It’s clear that CBS is using editing to create personas for the contestants. I think Kel may have been an example of this. On the show, he was portrayed as a quiet unassuming team player. But in a just published book about the show, the casting director wrote that Kel was chosen as a contestant because of his volatile temper and with the expectation that his inevitable explosion would be good television. I’ve also read that Kel was one of the first people to discuss forming voting alliances (ironically with Jerri). So it’s possible that the other contestants, who saw a lot more of Kel than we did, voted him off for valid reasons. ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2001, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-ii-what-did-they-have-against-debb/52221/135 "2001-02-17T20:05:21Z")
kellibelli said: > [@](#): > > What really cracks me up is that if those lying scheming bastards on Ogakor hadnt kicked poor sweet Kel off, they would have won challenges, and he would have got them food!! Indeed, if they had booted Mad Dog first, they probably would have won the obstacle course – and even Mitchell admitted that. Of course, Mitchell said, in the book referenced by Little Nemo, above, that his “strategy” was to keep the “cool” people around. So, you know, I really don’t feel sorry for them. Even more amusing is the fact that the two challenges this week both were mental, not physical challenges. And they had gotten rid of Mad Dog this time because she was a hinderance in the physical challenges. They should have lost some of their mental dead weight instead. ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2001, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-ii-what-did-they-have-against-debb/52221/136 "2001-02-17T20:12:33Z")
Little Nemo said: > [@](#): > > It’s clear that CBS is using editing to create personas for the contestants. I think Kel may have been an example of this. I certainly won’t disagree with this. However… > [@](#): > > On the show, he was portrayed as a quiet unassuming team player. But in a just published book about the show, the casting director wrote that Kel was chosen as a contestant because of his volatile temper and with the expectation that his inevitable explosion would be good television. What the casting director _expects_ and what actually happens can often be two different things. Kel spoke at length about what happened, and did say he was furious at the accusations, but calmed himself down before going to talk to his teammates. Just to add to reasons why you shouldn’t necessarily rely too much on the book (which, for those who don’t know, is _Survivor II: The Field Guide_), Kel also said there that he knows how to deal with civilians and wouldn’t have any trouble adapting. Yet he admitted, when leaving, that his main problem had been that he didn’t know how to deal with the civvies. > [@](#): > > I’ve also read that Kel was one of the first people to discuss forming voting alliances (ironically with Jerri). So it’s possible that the other contestants, who saw a lot more of Kel than we did, voted him off for valid reasons. I hadn’t read the part about the alliances, but everything I’ve seen/read/heard indicates to me that he was voted off for one of two reasons: 1) He told them he was an Army captain and they were scared to let him stick around; 2) He was outside their little clique – while they were lounging around, sharing stories, having fun, he was taking the whole thing seriously, looking for food, etc. His was a better strategy for the long-term, if they had only recognized it then (maybe they wouldn’t have lost so many challenges; maybe Mitchell wouldn’t have been booted – if only they’d had some food earlier on). But for his own survival on the show, it was a poor strategy, because he allowed the rest of his group to band together against him. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tof](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@The\_Tof](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tof)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2001, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-ii-what-did-they-have-against-debb/52221/137 "2001-02-17T22:40:31Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Connor \* > \*\* > > I was most impressed by Michael’s butchering job. He had that pig strung up and shaved down. I have a feeling he knows exactly what everything can be used for. They said it was a small pig - how long do you think it will last? > > \*\* I think you can thank Rodger for this. (And this is probably his saving grace.) Did you notice he was right there with Michael showing him how it was done. They even said at one point that Rodger is weak on challenges but he knows how to get things done in camp, so he is still very valuable to the team. I think this is an example. ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2001, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-ii-what-did-they-have-against-debb/52221/138 "2001-02-18T04:21:29Z")
Rodger almost certainly played a part, but Michael may have been able to do it himself. As he is quoted as saying in _Survivor II: The Field Guide_: “I’ve hunted almost every animal.” So he knows what he’s doing. ---
**Author:** ![monster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ab992/32.png) [@monster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monster)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2001, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-ii-what-did-they-have-against-debb/52221/139 "2001-02-18T16:19:50Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Little Nemo \* > \*\*Did anyone else notice that CBS let a clue slip by during the episode? On a commercial break, they mentioned “the survivor voted off on tonight’s episode will make **his** first appearance on tomorrow’s episode of Good Morning America.” > \*\* I thought the same thing, **Nemo** , but I rewound my tape and the second time it sounded like “makes **a** first appearance.” Don’t know for sure. Also, did you notice that in the scenes of the Ogakor tribe, all they talked about was who they were going to kick off. Lo and behold, they lost the challenge and booted someone. The other tribe talked about eating, and they ended up catching a pig. I taped over last week’s show, so I can’t go back to see if that was the same last week. But I swear I can’t remember Kucha’s tribe talking (at length) about who’s the next to go. Maybe that’s a clue as to what tribe is voting. ---
**Author:** ![David\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/51bf81/32.png) [@David\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/David_B)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2001, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-ii-what-did-they-have-against-debb/52221/140 "2001-02-18T23:45:55Z")
That often is a clue, but usually only one we notice in hindsight. Don’t forget, though, that a couple of the Ogakor went on a pig hunt, too – and came up empty. So just because they mention something doesn’t mean it will happen. But this stuff is edited together after it happens, so they know which “story lines” to use. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-ii-what-did-they-have-against-debb/52221.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-ii-what-did-they-have-against-debb/52221.md?page=8)