# Survivor November 21 2012 "Whiners are Weiners" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 22, 2012, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-november-21-2012-whiners-are-weiners/641790 "2012-11-22T01:49:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-november-21-2012-whiners-are-weiners/641790/1 "2012-11-22T01:49:29Z")
Two folks flip over the wrong color pad. It’s reminding me of that ditzy girl in the last season who always messed up the rules to the challenges. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-november-21-2012-whiners-are-weiners/641790/2 "2012-11-22T02:39:12Z")
Awww…poor Abi. NOT! I could feel sorry for her if she hadn’t spent the entire time her alliance was in the majority acting like anyone outside of that alliance (and a couple within it) were dirt under her feet. ---
**Author:** ![misstee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/958977/32.png) [@misstee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/misstee)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-november-21-2012-whiners-are-weiners/641790/3 "2012-11-22T04:33:04Z")
Abi is such a bitch. I hope she goes next. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-november-21-2012-whiners-are-weiners/641790/4 "2012-11-22T04:38:49Z")
Quick question…where is Abby from? Brazil? ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-november-21-2012-whiners-are-weiners/641790/5 "2012-11-22T04:42:30Z")
Yes, Brazil. "Where the nuts are from. " (Any _Charlie’s Aunt_ fans here?) This season just keeps getting better and better. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-november-21-2012-whiners-are-weiners/641790/6 "2012-11-22T04:54:41Z")
TY Twikster. Agree on this season. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Ed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e19b73/32.png) [@Just\_Ed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Ed)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-november-21-2012-whiners-are-weiners/641790/7 "2012-11-22T05:12:15Z")
I’m curious to see if they really do want to get rid of Abi next or if they’re all just telling each other that. Even given Denise’s speech at Tribal Council, it’s hard to believe all of them are so stupid as to not see taking Abi to Final is a damn good strategic move. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 5:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-november-21-2012-whiners-are-weiners/641790/8 "2012-11-22T05:17:52Z")
I noticed that Skupin was on the Abi side of the split vote. I wonder if they set that up on purpose so he couldn’t flip. > [@Just\_Ed](#): > > I’m curious to see if they really do want to get rid of Abi next or if they’re all just telling each other that. Even given Denise’s speech at Tribal Council, it’s hard to believe all of them are so stupid as to not see taking Abi to Final is a damn good strategic move. The problem is if it’s a final 3, that doesn’t help you that much, and now you’re seen as the guy who betrayed the alliance. ---
**Author:** ![Duke\_of\_Rat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Duke\_of\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duke_of_Rat)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-november-21-2012-whiners-are-weiners/641790/9 "2012-11-22T15:30:34Z")
Malcolm was a sitting duck, and the look on Skupin’s face had me thinking Pete had got to him. Bold move to not play his idol when one flipper could make it a nice souvenir. Abi is finally coming to a head. Bold move to announce you are going to do less around camp just as your alliance is crumbling. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-november-21-2012-whiners-are-weiners/641790/10 "2012-11-22T16:02:18Z")
[Jeff on what kind of villain Abi is.](http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/11/22/jeff-probst-survivor-philippines-episode-10/) We haven’t seen anyone as socially tone-deaf as Abi since Coach’s first season. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-november-21-2012-whiners-are-weiners/641790/11 "2012-11-22T16:05:25Z")
The TC really showed Abi Normal’s problem – to everyone but Abi Normal. Denise pointed out to Abi that Abi would not let her finish speaking and making her point, and Abi believes that Denise was attacking her instead of trying to explain things to her. She would not – _could_ not, since she was speaking over Denise – hear anything Denise was saying, other than the beginning of a sentence. Basically, Denise said ‘Abi, your problem is that…’ and Abi interrupts and accuses her of playing the ‘psychologist’. Abi had no idea she was disliked, and cannot understand why she is being attacked. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-november-21-2012-whiners-are-weiners/641790/12 "2012-11-22T16:16:06Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > [Jeff on what kind of villain Abi is.](http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/11/22/jeff-probst-survivor-philippines-episode-10/) Interesting comment there. Abi could have turned on Pete and not have had to use her idol. It was looking like three votes for Abi, three for Pete, an two for Malcolm; which is how it turned out when Skupin didn’t flip. Assuming no flips, Abi could have voted for Pete. Four votes for Pete, three votes for Abi, one vote for Malcolm. If Skupin had flipped, it would have been 3P/3A/2M and they would vote again. She could have saved her HII for that. ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-november-21-2012-whiners-are-weiners/641790/13 "2012-11-22T16:18:32Z")
That would involve Abi understanding how the game is played, which I don’t think she does. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-november-21-2012-whiners-are-weiners/641790/14 "2012-11-22T16:19:14Z")
Zing! 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2012, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-november-21-2012-whiners-are-weiners/641790/15 "2012-11-22T16:23:22Z")
I don’t see Abi as a villain at all. Just a poor player and a clueless person. Villains are people like Hantz or Colton. ---
**Author:** ![Weedy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/weedy/32/301_2.png) [@Weedy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Weedy)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2012, 5:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-november-21-2012-whiners-are-weiners/641790/16 "2012-11-23T05:19:08Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Interesting comment there. Abi could have turned on Pete and not have had to use her idol. > > It was looking like three votes for Abi, three for Pete, an two for Malcolm; which is how it turned out when Skupin didn’t flip. Assuming no flips, Abi could have voted for Pete. Four votes for Pete, three votes for Abi, one vote for Malcolm. If Skupin had flipped, it would have been 3P/3A/2M and they would vote again. She could have saved her HII for that. I dont think she is allowed to use it then if she didnt use it before. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2012, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-november-21-2012-whiners-are-weiners/641790/17 "2012-11-24T16:22:59Z")
I haven’t been able to participate in these thread because I’ve been behind all season. Finally caught up last night… As bad as Abi is, at least she provides some entertainment. I just can’t stand Jonathan, and I was soooo hoping they’d get rid of him. Even his voice (aka Alan Alda) is like fingernails on a chalkboard for me. Teen-star lady also drives me nuts. She is one big walking “White People Problems”. I hadn’t really noticed Blond Track Coach guy until last night, but he seems to be quite a good player. Denise is such a freakin’ stud! It’s been so nice to see her get to go on reward challenges in the last few shows. I would very much like to see her win. Go Denise!! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2012, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-november-21-2012-whiners-are-weiners/641790/18 "2012-11-24T16:40:19Z")
> [@Weedy](#): > > I dont think she is allowed to use it then if she didnt use it before. In that case, that’s a risk. Still, she and Pete could ask Skupin to flip, and then she could go back to Skupin and tell him he’d be part of a Grand Strategic Move if he _didn’t_ flip and voted for Pete. ---
**Author:** ![ekweizn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7c8e57/32.png) [@ekweizn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekweizn)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2012, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-november-21-2012-whiners-are-weiners/641790/19 "2012-11-24T18:08:05Z")
> [@twickster](#): > > We haven’t seen anyone as socially tone-deaf as Abi since Coach’s first season. Naonka and Colton are strong contenders for the crown. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2012, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-november-21-2012-whiners-are-weiners/641790/20 "2012-11-24T18:36:16Z")
> [@ekweizn](#): > > Naonka and Colton are strong contenders for the crown. They are, but Abi isn’t. She’s nowhere near as bad as either of those two. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-november-21-2012-whiners-are-weiners/641790.md?page=2)