# Survivor: One World February 15 2012 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 16, 2012, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-february-15-2012/612988 "2012-02-16T01:19:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-february-15-2012/612988/41 "2012-02-16T19:05:55Z")
> [@obfusciatrist](#): > > Unrelated question since I don’t watch the show but figured you who do might know. > > Any idea what the time gap is between learning you’ve been selected for the show and actually departing for the exotic locale is? Saw the standard “why don’t they ever learn to make fire before leaving home” question and wonder if part of it might be a very short window between “i sent a video in on a lark” and “oh crap, is that giant bug poisonous?” Can’t answer the question, but this does remind me: this may be the 2nd time in show history that somebody built a fire by rubbing sticks together. That was pretty awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-february-15-2012/612988/42 "2012-02-16T19:09:53Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Yes, I know. Was there a time limit for giving it away? That is a great question. Did anyone see the text of the idol paper? Did it say before the next challenge, she’d have to give it away? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-february-15-2012/612988/43 "2012-02-16T19:12:41Z")
It had to be given away before the next Tribal Council, as I noted above. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-february-15-2012/612988/44 "2012-02-16T19:21:04Z")
Does anyone have a screen capture of the II note? ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Barchetta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Red\_Barchetta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Barchetta)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-february-15-2012/612988/45 "2012-02-16T19:34:37Z")
I’m amazed at how many people didn’t pick up on the fact there was a time limit. It was both in the note (excusable, as it was on-screen briefly) as well as mentioned explicitly by her. Because I apparently had nothing better to do: [http://i44.tinypic.com/2czoutw.jpg](http://i44.tinypic.com/2czoutw.jpg) Also, her exact words were “The rules say it’s for the [other] tribe and I Had to give it up before the next Tribal Counsel.” ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-february-15-2012/612988/46 "2012-02-16T19:37:25Z")
> [@Red\_Barchetta](#): > > Decent first episode. So far I’m liking the one island format. It’s already introduced some noticeably different social mechanics, plus I’m finding it easier to keep track of everyone. > > What? The asian girl’s still in it! =D Preach it! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-february-15-2012/612988/47 "2012-02-16T19:48:46Z")
> [@Red\_Barchetta](#): > > I’m amazed at how many people didn’t pick up on the fact there was a time limit. It was both in the note (excusable, as it was on-screen briefly) as well as mentioned explicitly by her. > > Because I apparently had nothing better to do: Do you have a copy of the long form note? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-february-15-2012/612988/48 "2012-02-16T20:13:31Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I wouldn’t go that far, but he certainly is not helping. Jesus Lord, he’s Ross freakin’ Matthews’ gayer twin! Anyway, I had trouble finding someone I actually LIKED, too. The Asian guy is cute. We have a little person for the first time on Survivor. The alpha males are assholes. Half the women are infuriatingly stereotypical…“Let’s go over to the men’s camp in our bikinis and beg them for fire because we’re just women and really shouldn’t be expected to do hard things on Survivor.” If your whole Survivor strategy is to charm the men into winning the game for you, it’s been done a couple of times already. Unless you can add a LOT of actual cunning and strategy smarts to that, like Parvati brought, you’re not going too far. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-february-15-2012/612988/49 "2012-02-16T20:26:43Z")
> [@Red\_Barchetta](#): > > Because I apparently had nothing better to do: [http://i44.tinypic.com/2czoutw.jpg](http://i44.tinypic.com/2czoutw.jpg) Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![etv78](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d78d45/32.png) [@etv78](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/etv78)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-february-15-2012/612988/50 "2012-02-16T20:43:36Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Jesus Lord, he’s Ross freakin’ Matthews’ gayer twin! > > Anyway, I had trouble finding someone I actually LIKED, too. The Asian guy is cute. We have a little person for the first time on Survivor. The alpha males are assholes. Half the women are infuriatingly stereotypical…“Let’s go over to the men’s camp in our bikinis and beg them for fire because we’re just women and really shouldn’t be expected to do hard things on Survivor.” If your whole Survivor strategy is to charm the men into winning the game for you, it’s been done a couple of times already. Unless you can add a LOT of actual cunning and strategy smarts to that, like Parvati brought, you’re not going too far. j **ayjay** , so a cute girl who can actually DO stuff has a shot? ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-february-15-2012/612988/51 "2012-02-16T21:13:07Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Jesus Lord, he’s Ross freakin’ Matthews’ gayer twin! > > Anyway, I had trouble finding someone I actually LIKED, too. The Asian guy is cute. We have a little person for the first time on Survivor. The alpha males are assholes. Half the women are infuriatingly stereotypical…“Let’s go over to the men’s camp in our bikinis and beg them for fire because we’re just women and really shouldn’t be expected to do hard things on Survivor.” If your whole Survivor strategy is to charm the men into winning the game for you, it’s been done a couple of times already. Unless you can add a LOT of actual cunning and strategy smarts to that, like Parvati brought, you’re not going too far. Ah, the cheerleaders and the jocks post. Surprised it took this long. All women who are good looking are sluts and guys who work out are assholes. You could cast a season with only Stanford PhD’s who run orphanages but if they have nice boobs or some muscles they’ll be described as sluts and jerks. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-february-15-2012/612988/52 "2012-02-16T21:20:37Z")
No, the “guys who work out” are being described as douchebags because they _are_ douchebags. Lief Manson looks pretty buff, too, but he didn’t act like a total jerk. The females who are being “sluttified” are those who didn’t bother to learn basic skills like fire-making, and who thought that having tits entitles them to aid for their opponents. Kim and Kate spent their time actually trying to, you know, make fire. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-february-15-2012/612988/53 "2012-02-16T21:23:07Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > Ah, the cheerleaders and the jocks post. Surprised it took this long. All women who are good looking are sluts and guys who work out are assholes. You could cast a season with only Stanford PhD’s who run orphanages but if they have nice boobs or some muscles they’ll be described as sluts and jerks. Totally uncalled for and to be honest, showing a lack of having read our Survivor threads over the years. Kim, who I think has a real shot at winning, is hot and non-slutty. After one episode, it is hard to remember many people, but there plenty of quieter guys who(as a straight man) I rather assume are hot, but a lot of the ones they showed talking were D-bags to the max. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-february-15-2012/612988/54 "2012-02-16T21:25:57Z")
Yes, the women with boobs should have learned how to make fire. Considering last night was the first time in 24 seasons of Survivor that anyone has made fire without outside aid (glasses), that is the weakest criticism imaginable. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-february-15-2012/612988/55 "2012-02-16T21:27:45Z")
What others replied already. No, not all hot girls are sluts. I didn’t call them sluts, and I don’t consider them sluts. They’re simply trying an obsolete Survivor strategy that only the dumbest men on the show fall for in its simple form anymore. A woman who tries to go the “I’m a hot chick and all you big, strong men should do everything for me” route needs to bring more to the game, like Parvati did (at least in her later appearances), or expect it not to work. And I do not consider the alpha males assholes because of what their muscles look like. I consider them assholes because of what came out of their mouths. How long have you been watching Survivor? The thing about the women is especially egregious, because some women try it every season, and it’s worn out. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-february-15-2012/612988/56 "2012-02-16T21:38:38Z")
Yes, I suppose that walking around in your underwear means you are trying to win the game by being all sexy-like, not because you are on a tropical island in the heat and humidity. I guess secret agent man and Poindexter from last season (and the Mormon woman) were all guilty of that. Funny how nobody complained that they were using sex appeal. I guess the hot girls should keep their sweaty clothes on while everyone else cools off. Are you little Hantz? ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-february-15-2012/612988/57 "2012-02-16T21:59:07Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > Yes, the women with boobs should have learned how to make fire. Considering last night was the first time in 24 seasons of Survivor that anyone has made fire without outside aid (glasses), that is the weakest criticism imaginable. I assume it was “creative editing” but it sure appeared that the guys lit a fire faster than seemed possible. I was amazed that the gals were unable to light a fire, given that it appeared someone had a pair of glasses being held out there to refract the sun… that, and the fact that they were unable to keep the fire going once they stole the ember from the guys. You never know what _really_happens in camp, but the editors sure capitalized on a few specific events which pitted the teams against each other: -guys steal gals “stuff” -gals grab two chickens and do not share with guys -guys refuse to share fire/supplies -gals try to get close to campfire, guys refuse -guys end immunity challenge when gal gets hurt ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-february-15-2012/612988/58 "2012-02-16T22:03:52Z")
> [@Lamar\_Mundane](#): > > Yes, I suppose that walking around in your underwear means you are trying to win the game by being all sexy-like, not because you are on a tropical island in the heat and humidity. I guess secret agent man and Poindexter from last season (and the Mormon woman) were all guilty of that. Funny how nobody complained that they were using sex appeal. I guess the hot girls should keep their sweaty clothes on while everyone else cools off. > > Are you little Hantz? I have no idea which of your relatives I murdered to make you go off on this inexplicable rant-a-thon you’ve decided to aim at me. I’ve never had any kind of problem with you on here before, so it’s kind of a mystery to me why you’d just instantaneously decide to interpret my post in the worst possible way (and, frankly, the most ridiculous one, as well…you’re bending “benefit of the doubt” to extreme limits, given just what show we’re discussing). Is your girlfriend/wife/daughter/sister one of the women’s tribe or something? ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-february-15-2012/612988/59 "2012-02-16T22:18:41Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > I stand corrected (and apparently suffer from short term memory loss. : ) > > Ironically, as Probst was outlining the challenge, I was thinking that this was the least-demanding physical challenge I’d seen in a long time. Fall into net…walk across bridge. BFD. I fear the challenges have been permanently nerfed. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2012, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-february-15-2012/612988/60 "2012-02-16T22:38:49Z")
> [@Spoke](#): > > I fear the challenges have been permanently nerfed. I suspect that Mark Burnett and his minions spent a lot of time hand-wringing over the male-female split, and what to do about challenges that would obviously favor upper-body strength, etc. So they punted. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-february-15-2012/612988.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-february-15-2012/612988.md?page=4)