# Survivor: One World May 13 2012 "Perception is Not Always Reality" **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 14, 2012, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-may-13-2012-perception-is-not-always-reality/621825 "2012-05-14T00:59:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Angie1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/65b543/32.png) [@Angie1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angie1)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-may-13-2012-perception-is-not-always-reality/621825/61 "2012-05-17T14:38:48Z")
I hate to tell you all this but I just heard from a very reliable source that one of the returning Survivor’s next season is indeed Colton. I nearly vomited when I heard that and I pray it isn’t so but the source is reliable so I guess like Russell, we are going to get another dose of Colton. Given his reputation, I can’t imagine him lasting very long before being voted out. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-may-13-2012-perception-is-not-always-reality/621825/62 "2012-05-17T14:49:19Z")
Maybe they can have a challenge where all the contestants have to jump over a shark. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-may-13-2012-perception-is-not-always-reality/621825/63 "2012-05-17T14:51:43Z")
> [@Angie1](#): > > I hate to tell you all this but I just heard from a very reliable source that one of the returning Survivor’s next season is indeed Colton. I nearly vomited when I heard that and I pray it isn’t so but the source is reliable so I guess like Russell, we are going to get another dose of Colton. Given his reputation, I can’t imagine him lasting very long before being voted out. Hm. Click below only if you are interested in probable spoilers: Widely available spoilers have the names of the three returning players, and none is Colton: they are Russell Swan, Jonathan Penner, and Mike Motherfucking Skupin. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-may-13-2012-perception-is-not-always-reality/621825/64 "2012-05-17T15:06:49Z")
> [@Tangent](#): > > Like Probst said during the reunion, it’s one thing to have a “villain” that people love to hate (like Coach). It’s another thing entirely when you have someone that people _ **really** _ hate (Colton). Some villains aren’t actually awful people and can be fun to watch, but some are truly contemptible and detract from my entertainment every second they’re on the screen. Love-to-hate includeds Hantz and Johnny Fairplay for a lot of folks. Hate-to-hate includes Colton and that Black lady who quit in the jury and pushed over that prosthetic leg lady(Nygea or something). Or Nayonka or something. I’ve blocked most memory of her. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-may-13-2012-perception-is-not-always-reality/621825/65 "2012-05-17T15:14:40Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Hm. Click below only if you are interested in probable spoilers: > > Widely available spoilers have the names of the three returning players, and none is Colton: they are Russell Swan, Jonathan Penner, and Mike Motherfucking Skupin. I consider myself a fan of the show, but I don’t recognize any of those names. I’d probably remember their faces, nicknames or if their first names were put in context of the season they played. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-may-13-2012-perception-is-not-always-reality/621825/66 "2012-05-17T15:15:43Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Love-to-hate includeds Hantz and Johnny Fairplay for a lot of folks. Hate-to-hate includes Colton and that **Black lady** who quit in the jury and pushed over that prosthetic leg lady(Nygea or something). Or Nayonka or something. I’ve blocked most memory of her. NaOnka was no lady. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-may-13-2012-perception-is-not-always-reality/621825/67 "2012-05-17T15:22:04Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I consider myself a fan of the show, but I don’t recognize any of those names. I’d probably remember their faces, nicknames or if their first names were put in context of the season they played. [spoiler]Russell Swan was in, I think, Samoa; he was a lawyer in his forties. He seemed smart and reasonably athletic but wound up - I don’t remember exactly - injured knee or something? Jonathan Penner was on twice. I don’t remember his first season, but he was on Micronesia (The Fans vs. Favorites season). He was kind of a smart-ass, and a lot of audience members liked him a lot but he seemed to rub people actually in the game with him the wrong way. Mike Skupin was on the second season (the Outback). He killed a boar, painted his face with its blood, and then fell headfirst into the campfire and had to be medevaced out.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-may-13-2012-perception-is-not-always-reality/621825/68 "2012-05-17T15:27:28Z")
Well, if Colton does come back I doubt he’ll be as bad. A) He’ll be a known quantity so he won’t get away with as much, B) I really doubt he’ll get an immunity idol handed to him, and C) he knows everyone, including his Mom, hated how he acted. eta: John Mace, I think having injury ejected players is probably the fairest “retread” yet. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-may-13-2012-perception-is-not-always-reality/621825/69 "2012-05-17T15:27:32Z")
OK. Now I know who they are. I agree with your original characterization of the last guy. But I have to say, I’m pretty much dead set against ALL retreads. Why don’t they just get one of the fucking Kartrashians or Snooki or someone like that on the show and get it over with. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-may-13-2012-perception-is-not-always-reality/621825/70 "2012-05-17T15:49:46Z")
That would be masterful. Get all the “reality stars” on for a season and make it a real Survivor show. No food, no water, challenges to the death, only one survives. ---
**Author:** ![Homo\_litoralis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homo\_litoralis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homo_litoralis)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-may-13-2012-perception-is-not-always-reality/621825/71 "2012-05-17T15:49:58Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > They don’t all have to be likable, and indeed the “love to hate” villains often make for the most compelling tv. However, there is indeed a tipping point where someone becomes too contemptible to watch. I was not previously aware that this tipping point exists, but Colton has shone a bright spotlight on that line. > > We’re talking about returning players. We already know how contemptible Colton is. The whole point of the question is whether a player we already know we hate seeing on our screens, if they should come back for another season, would that make us not watch. I’m having trouble following your leap in logic to then try and apply this rule to players we’ve never seen before. > > You didn’t address this to me, but I feel similarly and those are my explanations. As far as Russell was concerned, I enjoyed watching him and found him compelling. Except for that third time, of course, where he was a non-factor. Your points are valid, and you’ll get no argument from me about Colton’s unabashed hatefulness. But too contemptible to watch? I don’t know. Wouldn’t you at least be tempted to peek in on a show that you otherwise love to watch with the hope that the despicable characters suffer the punishment and humiliation that they so richly deserve? ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-may-13-2012-perception-is-not-always-reality/621825/72 "2012-05-17T15:51:59Z")
> [@Homo\_litoralis](#): > > But too contemptible to watch? I don’t know. Wouldn’t you at least be tempted to peek in on a show that you otherwise love to watch with the hope that the despicable characters suffer the punishment and humiliation that they so richly deserve? Only with Tivo. That way I wouldn’t have to watch any of it until I read that whoever was eaten by a crocodile. Then I could make popcorn and watch and cheer. ---
**Author:** ![Angie1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/65b543/32.png) [@Angie1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angie1)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-may-13-2012-perception-is-not-always-reality/621825/73 "2012-05-17T15:53:59Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > Hm. Click below only if you are interested in probable spoilers: > > Widely available spoilers have the names of the three returning players, and none is Colton: they are Russell Swan, Jonathan Penner, and Mike Motherfucking Skupin. I hope you are right, I really don’t want another dose of Colton. Then again it might be fun watching him get blind sided, the look on his face would be priceless! ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-may-13-2012-perception-is-not-always-reality/621825/74 "2012-05-17T15:55:38Z")
> [@Angie1](#): > > I hope you are right, I really don’t want another dose of Colton. Then again it might be fun watching him get blind sided, the look on his face would be priceless! Especially if the third guy on my list blindsides him. That would be _really_ great. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-may-13-2012-perception-is-not-always-reality/621825/75 "2012-05-17T15:56:59Z")
> [@Angie1](#): > > I hope you are right, I really don’t want another dose of Colton. Then again it might be fun watching him get blind sided, the look on his face would be priceless! They should take Colton and Kat and put them on an island with no food. Colton could live off his body fat longer, but he might die of lack of entitlement first. Actually, I would watch a _Survivor, Return of the Losers_, if they brought back the most useless people and put them all on one tribe. ---
**Author:** ![Angie1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/65b543/32.png) [@Angie1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angie1)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-may-13-2012-perception-is-not-always-reality/621825/76 "2012-05-17T16:00:22Z")
The third name is not familiar to me. I have been watching since Survivor Thailand but can’t recall who that is. ---
**Author:** ![Angie1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/65b543/32.png) [@Angie1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Angie1)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-may-13-2012-perception-is-not-always-reality/621825/77 "2012-05-17T16:06:46Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > They should take Colton and Kat and put them on an island with no food. Colton could live off his body fat longer, but he might die of lack of entitlement first. > > Actually, I would watch a _Survivor, Return of the Losers_, if they brought back the most useless people and put them all on one tribe. If they brought back the useless people there would be a tribe of over 100. For instance this season, I can’t understand these bimbo’s that follow the leader (Kim) and do everything she says to catapult her up to the top? Why would you do that? Troyzan offered them a good blind side that would shake up the game and get rid of the strongest player (Kim) and they just ingored him. Kim deserved to win since she outwitted, outplayed, outsmarted everyone! ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-may-13-2012-perception-is-not-always-reality/621825/78 "2012-05-17T16:09:25Z")
> [@Angie1](#): > > The third name is not familiar to me. I have been watching since Survivor Thailand but can’t recall who that is. [spoiler]He was on the second season, in the Australian Outback. He was a pretty intense guy, and by about halfway through the season he had gone just about native. In those days, they _really_ left them to fend mostly for themselves when it came to food - they give them a lot more food and other provisions now than when the show was in its early days. At first, Mike did a lot of fishing, but eventually he became obsessed with killing a wild boar. You know, for the food. And because he was Colonel Kurtz. So one day… he just _did it_. And not with a trap, or a bow, or a rifle, but with a spear he made by tying a knife to a stick. After he’d killed it, he put some of its blood on his face. Then, he was tending a fire and passed out, falling face first into the fire and burning his hands and face badly enough that he had to be removed from the game. He was a very scary man in the Outback. In real life he ran a software publishing company. So.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-may-13-2012-perception-is-not-always-reality/621825/79 "2012-05-17T16:18:49Z")
> [@storyteller0910](#): > > [spoiler]He was on the second season, in the Australian Outback. He was a pretty intense guy, and by about halfway through the season he had gone just about native. In those days, they _really_ left them to fend mostly for themselves when it came to food - they give them a lot more food and other provisions now than when the show was in its early days. At first, Mike did a lot of fishing, but eventually he became obsessed with killing a wild boar. You know, for the food. And because he was Colonel Kurtz. So one day… he just _did it_. And not with a trap, or a bow, or a rifle, but with a spear he made by tying a knife to a stick. After he’d killed it, he put some of its blood on his face. > > Then, he was tending a fire and passed out, falling face first into the fire and burning his hands and face badly enough that he had to be removed from the game. > > He was a very scary man in the Outback. In real life he ran a software publishing company. So.[/spoiler] The earlier seasons where food was a really big issue were a lot more fun to watch. I’ll never forge the episode where the rains came in, the river flooded and washed away most of one tribe’s food. It was tough going, back in the day! ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2012, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-one-world-may-13-2012-perception-is-not-always-reality/621825/80 "2012-05-17T16:33:36Z")
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