# Survivor Seaon 33 Starts Tonight (Also RE: TAR) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 21, 2016, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-seaon-33-starts-tonight-also-re-tar/766528 "2016-09-21T19:54:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2016, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-seaon-33-starts-tonight-also-re-tar/766528/261 "2016-12-16T06:29:13Z")
Although I wasn’t too keen on Adam winning, I did think this was a very good season. It started off slow with not much of interest, but after the merge, it really took off. But another season of retreads? Oy… I’m not at all excited about the next one. ---
**Author:** ![LH75](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lh75/32/4438_2.png) [@LH75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LH75)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2016, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-seaon-33-starts-tonight-also-re-tar/766528/262 "2016-12-16T13:04:13Z")
I am interested to see Micheala play again. She is an Ozzie level competitor, and the returnees were playing while this season aired. Is she can develop a better social game she will be very dangerous Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2016, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-seaon-33-starts-tonight-also-re-tar/766528/263 "2016-12-16T14:10:58Z")
I don’t see what people see in Michaela. She’s a bossy, irritating player. She might be OK if she can make the merge, but she is not a team player, which is what you need to be during the first part of the game. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2016, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-seaon-33-starts-tonight-also-re-tar/766528/264 "2016-12-16T16:33:51Z")
At final five, Adam found the HII, and then told both Bret and Hannah and Hannah later spilled the beans to David and Ken. They switched their votes to Bret and Bret was voted off. At the time, it looked like a big mistake by Adam, as Hannah was playing both sides. But I think that mistake might have been the key to Adam’s win. If Adam never told Hannah, David would have been voted out. The Final Four would have been Adam, Ken, Hannah, Bret. Chances are Ken would have still won Immunity (Don’t think Bret would have won) At this time, Adam has to be biggest threat with David gone, IMO Adam is voted out in the final four and we get a final three of Hannah, Ken, and Bret. Not sure who wins in that scenario. ---
**Author:** ![Moonchild](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@Moonchild](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moonchild)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2016, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-seaon-33-starts-tonight-also-re-tar/766528/265 "2016-12-16T18:45:25Z")
That’s a great point. As always, good fortune plays a huge role in determining who gets crowned Sole Survivor. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2016, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-seaon-33-starts-tonight-also-re-tar/766528/266 "2016-12-16T19:12:17Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > Maybe, but I feel it contaminated his victory. I was really happy when he resisted when Jay left him an opening to mention it. I would have been more satisfied if it hadn’t happened. Yes. Is this Outwit Outlast Outplay or fucking Queen for a Day, where the best sob story wins? :mad: Yes, I am sorry for his Mom, but then- d\*ont play the game, stay at her side in the hospital. \* If I was on the Jury i would have voted for Ken, based upon “No fucking sob stories, guys”. Hannah had a smart but weird play. Clearly her strategy was to be the goat, so she at least got 3rd place $. Interesting but it fucked Bret. ---
**Author:** ![LH75](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lh75/32/4438_2.png) [@LH75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LH75)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2016, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-seaon-33-starts-tonight-also-re-tar/766528/267 "2016-12-16T19:35:49Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I don’t see what people see in Michaela. She’s a bossy, irritating player. She might be OK if she can make the merge, but she is not a team player, which is what you need to be during the first part of the game. She played all out in every challenge, and if she had made the merge she would have had a good shot at running the table on the immunity challenges. Her flaw was she did not understand the social and strategic side of the game. She may have learned from her mistake. If she can play strategically, she will be hard to beat. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2016, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-seaon-33-starts-tonight-also-re-tar/766528/268 "2016-12-16T22:54:48Z")
> [@magnusblitz](#): > > Speaking of the fake idol, I really thought it wouldn’t work because normally there’s a rule sheet with it. I don’t think production would let David include his old rule sheet in a fake Idol (though he definitely included SOMETHING paper-ish looking). The way they cut it made it look like Jay didn’t even read it, which is believable since he already had a HII previously, I suppose. > > The fact that the emblem was pink when it clearly should’ve been black (to match their tribe color like the others), I’m willing to cut Jay slack on since I think they’re all a bit brain fried by then. Yeah, Eliza was in my head shouting “lT’S A FUCKING STICK!” ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-seaon-33-starts-tonight-also-re-tar/766528/269 "2016-12-17T00:16:04Z")
> [@LH75](#): > > She played all out in every challenge, and if she had made the merge she would have had a good shot at running the table on the immunity challenges. Her flaw was she did not understand the social and strategic side of the game. She may have learned from her mistake. If she can play strategically, she will be hard to beat. Well, sounds like she’d be a great player IN A DIFFERENT GAME. Meanwhile, this game has a strong social component. You know who else had a terrible social game? Hitler, that’s who!!! No, just kidding. Ken. Ken had a terrible social game and he got 0 votes at FTC. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-seaon-33-starts-tonight-also-re-tar/766528/270 "2016-12-17T00:28:00Z")
The problem with challenge beasts is that they get voted out before (or at/just after) the merge _because_ they are challenge beasts. That’s why the later stages of the game end up with guys like David winning challenges, or mediocre-at-best guys like Ken dominating. Once all the beasts are gone, it’s battle of the scrubs. ---
**Author:** ![Moonchild](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@Moonchild](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moonchild)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-seaon-33-starts-tonight-also-re-tar/766528/271 "2016-12-17T00:56:12Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > [snip] You know who else had a terrible social game? Hitler, that’s who!!! [snip] Oh, dear God, I can’t stop laughing at that. Where the hell did I hear that? (The dad from Freaks & Geeks?) ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Jackson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lucas_jackson/32/303_2.png) [@Lucas\_Jackson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lucas_Jackson)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-seaon-33-starts-tonight-also-re-tar/766528/272 "2016-12-17T03:56:34Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Yes. Is this Outwit Outlast Outplay or fucking Queen for a Day, where the best sob story wins? :mad: > > Yes, I am sorry for his Mom, but then- d\*ont play the game, stay at her side in the hospital. \* > > If I was on the Jury i would have voted for Ken, based upon “No fucking sob stories, guys”. > > Hannah had a smart but weird play. Clearly her strategy was to be the goat, so she at least got 3rd place $. Interesting but it fucked Bret. I really have to second this. If it’s all about sob stories why even go through the exercise of playing the game - just have everyone try to out boo boo each other on the first day. This was definitely one of my favorite seasons up until final tribal. It also totally ruined the reunion show. All of it was about his mom. I hope Ken felt like a dumbass for voting as he did , not that it would have made any difference but still… And yes, I did think Hannah got hotter in those shorts as the season wore on. ---
**Author:** ![tenacious\_j](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/439d5e/32.png) [@tenacious\_j](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tenacious_j)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2016, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-seaon-33-starts-tonight-also-re-tar/766528/273 "2016-12-17T04:08:57Z")
> [@LH75](#): > > She played all out in every challenge, and if she had made the merge she would have had a good shot at running the table on the immunity challenges. Her flaw was she did not understand the social and strategic side of the game. She may have learned from her mistake. If she can play strategically, she will be hard to beat. Agreed. I really liked her and if it were all the individual game, she may have gone far. I think she’s smart and learned a lot on the first go-round and will be a stronger strategic player. What may also help (or hurt) is nobody else there had seen her play or knew her strengths and weaknesses. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-seaon-33-starts-tonight-also-re-tar/766528.md?page=13)