# Survivor Season 35: Heroes, Healers and Hustlers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 25, 2017, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-season-35-heroes-healers-and-hustlers/797293 "2017-09-25T16:36:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![SykoSkotty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SykoSkotty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SykoSkotty)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-season-35-heroes-healers-and-hustlers/797293/41 "2017-10-19T14:07:58Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > Joe found a clue to the at the “Yellow” Beach for the HII which he found 5’ from the well (w/ Help from Cole). He should be digging 5’ from the Blue Beach well. > > And Cole should be digging 5’ from the Red Beach Well because he knows where Joe found the idol on the Yellow beach. (and he should keep his mouth shut) > > After Devon’s vote was blocked, it didn’t matter who if Joe played the idol for him, or Desi. Neither were going home. If Alan/Ashley had voted for Desi instead of Joe, the vote would have been deadlocked 2-2. Assuming no change in votes, the re-vote would have been 1-1. They go to rocks, and Alan, Desi, and Joe don’t have to pull rocks. So either Ashley or Devon go home. > > Not sure if she would have realized it, but in that situation, Ashley should have voted for Joe on the re-vote so she wasn’t vulnerable to the rock draw. Joe/Desi are still safe. At the beginning of the season they pointed out no rocks for ties this time. If the vote is a tie - they go to a fire building challenge. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-season-35-heroes-healers-and-hustlers/797293/42 "2017-10-19T22:37:47Z")
> [@SykoSkotty](#): > > At the beginning of the season they pointed out no rocks for ties this time. If the vote is a tie - they go to a fire building challenge. That’s not the change they made. They reverted back to the old rules (that they had only changed last season) of tie vote –\> revote (for only those tied players) –\> open-air unanimous decision –\> rocks. The only change last year for Game Changers was getting rid of the re-vote stage. Fire-making is only for a final 4 tie I believe. > [@notfrommensa](#): > > After Devon’s vote was blocked, it didn’t matter who if Joe played the idol for him, or Desi. Neither were going home. If Alan/Ashley had voted for Desi instead of Joe, the vote would have been deadlocked 2-2. Assuming no change in votes, the re-vote would have been 1-1. They go to rocks, and Alan, Desi, and Joe don’t have to pull rocks. So either Ashley or Devon go home. Good point, I forgot that Idol-ed players are immune from the rock draw as well. I agree with **StarvingButStrong** that Jessica also poorly executed her plan to help the (former) Healers by giving the disadvantage to Devon - she should’ve given it to one of the (former) Heroes, ensuring either a 3-1 or 2-2 split depending on how Devon was swinging, instead of ensuring a 2-2 split. I wonder if the producers placed the hidden Idols in different spots on the different camps this time to avoid what Tai did. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-season-35-heroes-healers-and-hustlers/797293/43 "2017-10-20T04:45:42Z")
> [@magnusblitz](#): > > I agree with **StarvingButStrong** that Jessica also poorly executed her plan to help the (former) Healers by giving the disadvantage to Devon - she should’ve given it to one of the (former) Heroes, ensuring either a 3-1 or 2-2 split depending on how Devon was swinging, instead of ensuring a 2-2 split. She really lucked out. It would’ve hilarious if Devon had been swinging towards the Healers and she ended up knocking out their ally. Devon’s deadpan/shocked “This is not an advantage” is up there with some of my favorite Survivor reactions. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-season-35-heroes-healers-and-hustlers/797293/44 "2017-10-20T05:49:07Z")
Was it obvious from what she read of the advantage at the camp that giving it to the losing team in the IC would reverse it and make the person it got given to lose his or her vote? Because I listened to her reading it and was still caught by surprise when Devon read his version at TC. Perhaps she didn’t mean to sandbag him and didn’t realize it became a disadvantage when it got passed? ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 11:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-season-35-heroes-healers-and-hustlers/797293/45 "2017-10-20T11:51:32Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Was it obvious from what she read of the advantage at the camp that giving it to the losing team in the IC would reverse it and make the person it got given to lose his or her vote? Because I listened to her reading it and was still caught by surprise when Devon read his version at TC. Perhaps she didn’t mean to sandbag him and didn’t realize it became a disadvantage when it got passed? I interpreted the same way you did, that the person she gave it to would use it to block someone else’s vote at Tribal. I wonder if they made it purposely vague to get the “Oh shit” moment. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-season-35-heroes-healers-and-hustlers/797293/46 "2017-10-20T13:34:03Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > Was it obvious from what she read of the advantage at the camp that giving it to the losing team in the IC would reverse it and make the person it got given to lose his or her vote? Because I listened to her reading it and was still caught by surprise when Devon read his version at TC. Perhaps she didn’t mean to sandbag him and didn’t realize it became a disadvantage when it got passed? I was a bit confused, too. I thought that maybe she had given it to someone else and then that person gave it to Devon to block his vote. Could be I was just assuming it was the same as the first advantage, and was not paying attention that it was different. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-season-35-heroes-healers-and-hustlers/797293/47 "2017-10-20T14:07:13Z")
Here’s what she actually read out loud when she opened it: “This advantage gives you the power to block one person from voting at the next Tribal Council. You will send this anonymously to someone on your tribe. They will not know it’s power until they open it at Tribal Council.” (quick confessional, then reading resumes) “If you win immunity and do not go to Tribal Council, you must send this note to someone on the losing tribe.” So it was a little ambiguous what would happen if she sent it to another tribe - whether she was sending the power or the whammy. But telling _anyone_ about it was remarkably stupid. If there’s ever been an advantage that works better when it’s a secret, this one was it. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-season-35-heroes-healers-and-hustlers/797293/48 "2017-10-20T14:35:07Z")
> [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > Did anyone tell Mike about the Hidden Advantage? I don’t remember it, but I had to answer a phone call for a minute and maybe missed it. Weird that he might have been the only one kept out of the loop. Mike was there too when she told Cole. He just played dumb about not knowing about it. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-season-35-heroes-healers-and-hustlers/797293/49 "2017-10-20T14:42:26Z")
Wonder what would have happened if Jessica put her chips in her bag and saved them for a few days? Always like the looks of astonishment and bewilderment when Jeff tells them to drop their buffs. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-season-35-heroes-healers-and-hustlers/797293/50 "2017-10-20T16:08:02Z")
> [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > Is Cole _capable_ of keeping his mouth shut? On the evidence, I don’t think so. > > And can anyone explain why he thought telling BOTH the ‘opposition’ about the Hidden Advantage would earn him any brownie points with anyone?? I feel like Cole has one single knowledge point about interpersonal relationships: “Showing someone you trust them can make them trust YOU.” For some reason, he doesn’t seem to be aware of the corollary to that: “If you betray a trust that someone put in YOU, it will make them NOT trust you.” He also doesn’t seem to understand the strategic use of secret knowledge…it’s like he only has the storage capacity for one secret and it’s short-term storage. He has to reveal things as soon as he knows them. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-season-35-heroes-healers-and-hustlers/797293/51 "2017-10-20T16:11:15Z")
> [@notfrommensa](#): > > Joe found a clue to the at the “Yellow” Beach for the HII which he found 5’ from the well (w/ Help from Cole). He should be digging 5’ from the Blue Beach well. > > And Cole should be digging 5’ from the Red Beach Well because he knows where Joe found the idol on the Yellow beach. (and he should keep his mouth shut) Assuming they are hidden in different spots, I’m a little shocked that 4 episodes in there’s only been one idol found so far. And presumably the one Joe played will get put back in play. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-season-35-heroes-healers-and-hustlers/797293/52 "2017-10-20T18:03:46Z")
> [@jayjay](#): > > I feel like Cole has one single knowledge point about interpersonal relationships: “Showing someone you trust them can make them trust YOU.” For some reason, he doesn’t seem to be aware of the corollary to that: “If you betray a trust that someone put in YOU, it will make them NOT trust you.” > > He also doesn’t seem to understand the strategic use of secret knowledge…it’s like he only has the storage capacity for one secret and it’s short-term storage. He has to reveal things as soon as he knows them. I think he’s revealed himself to be a Mimbo. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-season-35-heroes-healers-and-hustlers/797293/53 "2017-10-20T18:23:45Z")
Am I the only one who’s forgotten who the heroes were and who the healers were? The hustlers are pretty unique but the other two blend together. I wasn’t sure at first who Jessica even wanted to help. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-season-35-heroes-healers-and-hustlers/797293/54 "2017-10-20T19:39:06Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Am I the only one who’s forgotten who the heroes were and who the healers were? The hustlers are pretty unique but the other two blend together. I wasn’t sure at first who Jessica even wanted to help. I never remember. Even the racial divide mattered about zero. I’d forgotten they did it by the end. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-season-35-heroes-healers-and-hustlers/797293/55 "2017-10-20T19:50:32Z")
Pretty much all tribal divisions are arbitrary in one way or another. They didn’t invite people to be on based on their occupation or their race. They cast, then production decides how to split them. I’m sure that they could have been divided up into totally different tribes based on their occupations, or even had a different split of the same tribes. There’s nothing inherently significant about it. ---
**Author:** ![StarvingButStrong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/starvingbutstrong/32/335_2.png) [@StarvingButStrong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/StarvingButStrong)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-season-35-heroes-healers-and-hustlers/797293/56 "2017-10-26T13:14:45Z")
So, they broke the pattern. Two weeks ago Patrick tried to be the hero, failed, and got booted. Last week Alan tried to be the hero, failed, got booted. This week Chrissy tried to be the hero, failed, … and somehow managed to get Roark booted instead. (Guys seems to be easily terrified by even the _mention_ of a possible girl’s alliance.) Not that I care, for me Roark remained pretty much invisible until her torch was snuffed. The thing is, we are now 5 weeks into the season, and I still haven’t found anyone I could bother to root for. And no great villains, either. Okay, Joe’s “I am the mastermind” arrogance is annoying, but he’s barely a ghost compared to past villains. Does anyone else feel this season is sorta looking like a bust? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-season-35-heroes-healers-and-hustlers/797293/57 "2017-10-26T13:25:51Z")
Roark has kind of a creep aspect to her. I want to say “intense”, but that can sometimes be OK. In her case, though, it comes off more as creepy. OTOH, I’ve developed quite a crush on Desi. I don’t know if her game is all that good, but she’s got the whole deal all wrapped up-- intelligent, athletic, beautiful and generally even keeled. She seems like she’d just be fun to be around, and is my favorite, at least for now. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-season-35-heroes-healers-and-hustlers/797293/58 "2017-10-26T18:28:04Z")
Seems to me Roark was really the victim of circumstance - she was supposedly in a good spot on the Healers tribe, and the Ryan/Chrissy connection was a difficult one to suss out. She came in thinking she’d be the swing vote between the two ex-Heroes and two ex-Hustlers, which is usually the safe assumption (that’s how it played out with Blue in last episode). > [@StarvingButStrong](#): > > The thing is, we are now 5 weeks into the season, and I still haven’t found anyone I could bother to root for. And no great villains, either. Okay, Joe’s “I am the mastermind” arrogance is annoying, but he’s barely a ghost compared to past villains. > > Does anyone else feel this season is sorta looking like a bust? While I agree that no one has really stood out yet, I do think that there are a lot of good players and I have no real idea who could win. And no obvious losers yet either… Cole was a moron sharing the info about Jessica’s advantage with everyone, but that’s about it. ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2017, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-season-35-heroes-healers-and-hustlers/797293/59 "2017-10-26T23:24:11Z")
Ali is the one I have my eye on right now. She’s my favorite eye candy this season, and she seems very smart — but I haven’t quite figured out her personality yet. She could end up being a loose cannon. When Ryan became the swing vote, I thought, I’d much rather see Roark voted out than Chrissy, BUT it might not be such a good idea to piss Ali off. And based on next weeks previews she didn’t take it well. How she handles this vote could make or break her season. ---
**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2017, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-season-35-heroes-healers-and-hustlers/797293/60 "2017-10-28T11:22:57Z")
Me: “Roark? Who the hell is Roark?” I honestly didn’t even recognize her as a contestant. I guess I should have known she’d be booted based on her sharp increase of air time this episode. Seems unfair, to oust her on her first day on the island. 🙂 mmm [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-season-35-heroes-healers-and-hustlers/797293.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-season-35-heroes-healers-and-hustlers/797293.md?page=4)