# Survivor: South Pacific December 7 2011 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 8, 2011, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-december-7-2011/605440 "2011-12-08T01:11:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![FlightlessBird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/cdc98d/32.png) [@FlightlessBird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlightlessBird)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-december-7-2011/605440/21 "2011-12-08T16:46:47Z")
> [@Chopper9760](#): > > Coach might actually deserve the win but that’s so boring. It’s just like Rob last season, I think Rob did well and that he deserved the win but it felt like a foregone conclusion and made for a largely boring season. This is how I feel. It feels like a professional playing against amateurs. They never really had a chance. > [@Shark](#): > > I knew there was no way Coach would get rid of Brandon instead of Edna. He couldn’t afford to have Edna there when Ozzie eventually returns from RI. She would team up with him in a heartbeat. This made for a boring episode. And I’ll say it again, if they continue this way it signal’s the death of _Survivor_. The reason this game is exciting is all the backstabbing. While the winning strategy, which is what is being done these past 2 seasons, is really boring to watch. I watched Cochrane’s arrival at Pondrosa and wooboy, they were still pissed at him. No one greeted him, they sat away from him at the first few meals. I kind of wished that he had stood up for himself with the arguments I’ve posted before. (Pulling a rock wasn’t a guarantee of winning, He would’ve still been at the bottom of his old tribe). Even Jim said to him (a day later when the ice thawed), “You had a 6 out of 7 chance for the final 3, [and you gave it up] for a guaranteed 7[th place finish]” I really hope Jeff calls them out on that bs at the reunion. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-december-7-2011/605440/22 "2011-12-08T17:00:51Z")
I love this show, but the part that frustrates me is that players get way tooooooooooo emotional while playing the game. It’s a game. When you get blind sided or “in your face” voted off, that’s how the game is played. The ridiculous jury rants at the end are just sour grapes wishing they had done a different strategy to get themselves in the final 3. Edna’s weeping crying over being #6 is symptomatic of the same issue. Someone has to go out at #6, sucks that it’s you, but that’s the way it is…you can’t be mad at the other members of your tribe, that you didn’t make the right moves early on to put yourself there. ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-december-7-2011/605440/23 "2011-12-08T17:10:02Z")
> [@FlightlessBird](#): > > I watched Cochrane’s arrival at Pondrosa and wooboy, they were still pissed at him. No one greeted him, they sat away from him at the first few meals. I kind of wished that he had stood up for himself with the arguments I’ve posted before. (Pulling a rock wasn’t a guarantee of winning, He would’ve still been at the bottom of his old tribe). Even Jim said to him (a day later when the ice thawed), “You had a 6 out of 7 chance for the final 3, [and you gave it up] for a guaranteed 7[th place finish]” > I really hope Jeff calls them out on that bs at the reunion. I don’t know how Jim is figuring the “6 out of 7 chance for the final 3.” Cochran was always at the bottom of that alliance and he knew it. Jim, Keith, Whitney and Ozzy had a plan that relied on Cochran doing what they wanted him to. He didn’t, and sure, I can see them being pissed about that. But if Jim is still trying to tell Cochran that he’d have been better off as their puppet, that’s just plain bullshit. Ozzy was nice to Cochran at RI, and I think that was sincere. He realizes that it’s just a game and he’s not hating the player. ---
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-december-7-2011/605440/24 "2011-12-08T17:19:07Z")
> [@Wheelz](#): > > Ozzy was nice to Cochran at RI, and I think that was sincere. No it wasn’t. He was just trying to win Cochran’s vote. (And I think Cochran saw right through that. He had a look of skepticism on his face.) It was just a case of Ozzy finally realizing, “Hey, maybe I shouldn’t be such a jackass toward people who may be voting on whether I get a million dollars.” ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-december-7-2011/605440/25 "2011-12-08T17:20:35Z")
The reason why Cochrane would have had a better chance to make the final 3 is the same reason that Brandon does. People would keep him because he wouldn’t get votes. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-december-7-2011/605440/26 "2011-12-08T17:21:52Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > I love this show, but the part that frustrates me is that players get way tooooooooooo emotional while playing the game. It’s a game. When you get blind sided or “in your face” voted off, that’s how the game is played. The ridiculous jury rants at the end are just sour grapes wishing they had done a different strategy to get themselves in the final 3. > > Edna’s weeping crying over being #6 is symptomatic of the same issue. Someone has to go out at #6, sucks that it’s you, but that’s the way it is…you can’t be mad at the other members of your tribe, that you didn’t make the right moves early on to put yourself there. Probst talks about this quite a bit. It’s the emotional drain of being tired, too. They are out there for 30 days, but it feels like months and months. They are hungry, tired, and emotionally drained. They tend to react the way they do no matter what they had planned before they went out there. ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-december-7-2011/605440/27 "2011-12-08T20:09:58Z")
In a news item about Probst’s recent marriage it mentions that the finale is Dec. 18th, so only one more Wednesday night show until the big Sunday blow-out. ---
**Author:** ![kiz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/7feea3/32.png) [@kiz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kiz)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-december-7-2011/605440/28 "2011-12-08T20:25:20Z")
Probst was recently married?!?!? I haven’t seen any news about that anywhere 😕 ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-december-7-2011/605440/29 "2011-12-08T20:30:19Z")
Assuming an Upolu player draws the purple rock, Cochran could have jumped ship on the vote after the Purple Rock at final 11. # Players = 11 Upulo - 1 player + Cochran = 6 players and a majority Savaii - Cochran = 5 and a minority. or he could have done it at Final 9: Upulo - 3 players + Cochran + Dawn = 5 Savaii - Cochran - Dawn = 4 He should have waited at least one tribal. waiting until the final nine would have been riskier, but more rewarding as he would have had a little more influence. ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-december-7-2011/605440/30 "2011-12-08T20:34:14Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > In a news item about Probst’s recent marriage it mentions that the finale is Dec. 18th, so only one more Wednesday night show until the big Sunday blow-out. Yes. The Amazing Race finale is this coming Sunday, then next week we get a Wednesday Survivor and the 3 hours of double episode finale and reunion show on the following Sunday. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Barchetta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Red\_Barchetta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Barchetta)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-december-7-2011/605440/31 "2011-12-08T20:47:03Z")
Also did anyone else think the immunity challenge looked potentially awesome, but then turned into probably the dullest one ever? It was obvious Coach was going to win after about 30-seconds–it was almost demeaning that they made everyone else play tot he end. It was impossible for anyone but Coach to win at that point. ---
**Author:** ![ekweizn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7c8e57/32.png) [@ekweizn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekweizn)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-december-7-2011/605440/32 "2011-12-08T20:57:51Z")
> [@Red\_Barchetta](#): > > Also did anyone else think the immunity challenge looked potentially awesome, but then turned into probably the dullest one ever? It was obvious Coach was going to win after about 30-seconds–it was almost demeaning that they made everyone else play tot he end. It was impossible for anyone but Coach to win at that point. How dumb is Brandon that Edna was the last to be knocked out despite his “keep Edna from winning” strategy? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2011, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-december-7-2011/605440/33 "2011-12-08T21:06:56Z")
> [@kiz](#): > > Probst was recently married?!?!? I haven’t seen any news about that anywhere 😕 [Yep, he got married. I guess that is why he did not live tweet this week.](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2071636/Survivor-host-Jeff-Probst-marries-actress-girlfriend-Lisa-Ann-Russell.html) ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-december-7-2011/605440/34 "2011-12-09T00:47:29Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > The reason why Cochrane would have had a better chance to make the final 3 is the same reason that Brandon does. People would keep him because he wouldn’t get votes. I disagree. Cochrane would have had to fight, strategically, for his survival. Brandon just acts like the raving lunatic he is, and everyone wants to sit next to him in front of the jury. Lots of times, the jury members come to their senses when they have to vote, and get over the whole bit about “he didn’t play honestly”. Cochrane could easily get some jury votes, but he couldn’t win. Brandon couldn’t get any jury votes at all. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-december-7-2011/605440/35 "2011-12-09T01:59:06Z")
This season is a complete snooze-fest. Baaaa! What a bunch of mindless sheep. If I were Edna, I wouldn’t appeal to vote Brandon the Crazy off. No, I’d appeal to vote COACH off. My only guess that they didn’t see Boston Rob walk off with the million bucks before leaving for their stint. When you have a chance to vote for the leader or one of the sheep, who’s going to get your vote? ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Barchetta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Red\_Barchetta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Barchetta)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-december-7-2011/605440/36 "2011-12-09T02:22:29Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > This season is a complete snooze-fest. Baaaa! What a bunch of mindless sheep. If I were Edna, I wouldn’t appeal to vote Brandon the Crazy off. No, I’d appeal to vote COACH off. She couldn’t. He had immunity. ---
**Author:** ![Dag\_Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@Dag\_Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dag_Otto)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-december-7-2011/605440/37 "2011-12-09T04:41:26Z")
She’s just trying to make me feel better about my post. I appreciate that. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Barchetta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Red\_Barchetta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Barchetta)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-december-7-2011/605440/38 "2011-12-09T04:44:56Z")
> [@Dag\_Otto](#): > > She’s just trying to make me feel better about my post. I appreciate that. That actually made me laugh out loud; you’re redeemed 😛 ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-december-7-2011/605440/39 "2011-12-09T04:50:10Z")
> [@Red\_Barchetta](#): > > That actually made me laugh out loud; you’re redeemed 😛 I gigged **D.O.** a couple of times in Poker room chat tonight! ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2011, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-december-7-2011/605440/40 "2011-12-09T12:45:13Z")
> [@Red\_Barchetta](#): > > She couldn’t. He had immunity. Oh, duh. And I don’t have the excuse that I was starved and sleep deprived. So COCHRAN should have tried to rally them to vote off Coach. Blindside him while they can. However, they’ve all had the opportunity to target Coach in prior rounds, and they seem content to ride his coattails. I hope Ozzy wins the whole thing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-december-7-2011/605440.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-december-7-2011/605440.md?page=3)