# Survivor: South Pacific November 2 2011 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 3, 2011, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-november-2-2011/601693 "2011-11-03T00:13:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-november-2-2011/601693/1 "2011-11-03T00:13:18Z")
Wow. I won’t say more in the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-november-2-2011/601693/2 "2011-11-03T00:20:20Z")
Wow, coach just owned Cochran. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-november-2-2011/601693/3 "2011-11-03T00:21:20Z")
“Oh, I might be the Dragon Slayer now, but people used to make fun of me.” ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-november-2-2011/601693/4 "2011-11-03T00:54:23Z")
Wow, a great episode. ---
**Author:** ![misstee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/958977/32.png) [@misstee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/misstee)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-november-2-2011/601693/5 "2011-11-03T00:59:02Z")
wow- just posting so I can follow the thread. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-november-2-2011/601693/6 "2011-11-03T01:06:50Z")
If the rest of the merge plays out like this, we could be in for a hell of a season. ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-november-2-2011/601693/7 "2011-11-03T01:08:25Z")
**mom** , just because want a mirror image on the horizontal axis. I was thinking it was going to go to rocks. I think Game Theory should have dictated to Cochran to stay with his tribe. he saw that the Coach’s six were tight. He is going to be 7th on the totem pole with little chance of improvement He would have been 6th, and the team trusted him. They gave him the idol. and he had Dawn in his back pocket when it got down to 9 players where he could flip at that time. ---
**Author:** ![Lamar\_Mundane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lamar\_Mundane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lamar_Mundane)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-november-2-2011/601693/8 "2011-11-03T02:23:05Z")
7-5 now. Two man advantage. Guess who isn’t useful anymore? The same guy who just showed he cannot be trusted. Stupid, stupid, stupid. Yes, Cochrane, you are not a master of odds. You just devalued your Harvard Law degree by about 50% once the hiring firms do their vetting. ---
**Author:** ![Spud](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spud/32/347_2.png) [@Spud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spud)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-november-2-2011/601693/9 "2011-11-03T03:17:36Z")
I don’t know… I haven’t written him out yet. I thought he was crazy when he first turned around and said “I flipped… I’ll explain later” but now I think he may actually have a plan. He just sent the strongest and presumably unbeatable player to RI. Could it possibly be that he did this to keep him alive until he gets brought back again? In the mean time he has a new found trust with the majority. They will have to start realizing they all have to go at some time and alliances can change. He now has Coach with the trust card, and lil Russ thinking he is his big brother. If he can convince Ozzy that this is a brilliant end play it could just work. Just wait until you find out only Coach, Cochrane and I are the only ones smart enough to figure this one out. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-november-2-2011/601693/10 "2011-11-03T03:31:49Z")
I think Cochrane made the right move. If he stayed with his team, best case scenario is he’s at the bottom of a six person alliance, where four people clearly don’t like him. Worst case scenario, he goes home. By going with Coach, he’s at the bottom of seven right now, but Coach’s alliance isn’t super strong, as evidenced by the Edna vs. Mikayla vote. Any people are gonna start scrambling, mixing the game up. That’s the best option for Cochrane right now. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-november-2-2011/601693/11 "2011-11-03T04:24:31Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > By going with Coach, he’s at the bottom of seven right now, but Coach’s alliance isn’t super strong, as evidenced by the Edna vs. Mikayla vote. Any people are gonna start scrambling, mixing the game up. That’s the best option for Cochrane right now. I think being in a majority alliance holding the pagong gavel has a very strong calming effect on an alliance, so whatever fractures are in Coach’s group will be deferred for now and they’ll duly pagong the remaining Savaii, including Cochrane. ---
**Author:** ![Quint](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/76d3ee/32.png) [@Quint](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quint)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-november-2-2011/601693/12 "2011-11-03T05:37:58Z")
> [@Spud](#): > > I don’t know… I haven’t written him out yet. I thought he was crazy when he first turned around and said “I flipped… I’ll explain later” but now I think he may actually have a plan. He just sent the strongest and presumably unbeatable player to RI. Could it possibly be that he did this to keep him alive until he gets brought back again? In the mean time he has a new found trust with the majority. They will have to start realizing they all have to go at some time and alliances can change. He now has Coach with the trust card, and lil Russ thinking he is his big brother. If he can convince Ozzy that this is a brilliant end play it could just work. > > Just wait until you find out only Coach, Cochrane and I are the only ones smart enough to figure this one out. Keith got sent home, not to RI, no? ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-november-2-2011/601693/13 "2011-11-03T06:20:19Z")
> [@Quint](#): > > Keith got sent home, not to RI, no? I’m pretty certain I hear Probst say Keith was going to RI after the vote. ---
**Author:** ![Red\_Barchetta](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/da6949/32.png) [@Red\_Barchetta](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Red_Barchetta)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-november-2-2011/601693/14 "2011-11-03T06:43:44Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > I’m pretty certain I hear Probst say Keith was going to RI after the vote. Indeed, I just rewatched it and Probst said he’ll have a chance to reenter the game. ---
**Author:** ![amarone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e0b2c6/32.png) [@amarone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarone)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 9:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-november-2-2011/601693/15 "2011-11-03T09:33:44Z")
> [@misstee](#): > > wow- > just posting so I can follow the thread. FYI, in Thread Tools you can subscribe to a thread without needing to post. ---
**Author:** ![PunditLisa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/4af34b/32.png) [@PunditLisa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PunditLisa)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-november-2-2011/601693/16 "2011-11-03T11:20:53Z")
Dammit to hell, I thought we were done with Keith and his smirk. There’s still an RI?! I think Cochran’s move was brilliant. They made the classic mistake of believing that people who are obviously on the bottom of the totem pole would want to advance the people at the top. That being said, Cochran should not have tried to suck up to his old tribe immediately after the vote. After such a bold move, he should have picked up his torch and moved to the other side. If he really is trying to play out some secret strategy, the time to relay it is after emotions temper. Coach’s speech to Cochran was brilliant. I can totally see Benjamin being picked on by other kids. He is quite the odd bird. But, he does have a humanity that I appreciate. I can totally see Dawn taking Brandon under her wing. Two tormented souls finding each other… Speaking of Brandon, I was actually quite proud of him for standing up to Jim (after the vote), who was deriding Cochran and saying, “The way you’re treating him. THAT’s what got you where you are.” I had no idea who Whitney was, but now I hate her. I can see Ozzy tearing it up in the final half and winning every immunity from here on out. Oh, and have we ever seen a women and men’s Immunity in the same challenge? ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-november-2-2011/601693/17 "2011-11-03T12:19:44Z")
I liked how Cochran’s biggest concern was that Coach & the others would “protect” him after the TC - like Ozzy & Jim are going to give him a super atomic wedgie and hang him from a palm tree by the elastic. > [@PunditLisa](#): > > Oh, and have we ever seen a women and men’s Immunity in the same challenge? Yes - in Nicaragua, there was a similar challenge where they had to hold a vertical metal bar by pulling sideways on two rings. Jane & Fabio each won immunity. Remember Jane kept doing the challenge even though all the other women were out, just to show she could beat most of the men too? ---
**Author:** ![jayjay](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jayjay/32/6765_2.png) [@jayjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jayjay)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-november-2-2011/601693/18 "2011-11-03T12:20:16Z")
> [@PunditLisa](#): > > Oh, and have we ever seen a women and men’s Immunity in the same challenge? Season before last, I believe. It was the first post-merge immunity, also, and was similar in that you had to hold something with two weird hand extensions. I believe crazy Jane was the female immunity winner. Can’t remember the man who won. ---
**Author:** ![phungi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/phungi/32/395_2.png) [@phungi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/phungi)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-november-2-2011/601693/19 "2011-11-03T12:59:59Z")
If nothing else, Cochran has established himself as the poster-boy for the word “nebbish.” ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2011, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-november-2-2011/601693/20 "2011-11-03T13:05:18Z")
I think I’m going to come somewhere in between the “Cochran is an idiot” and “Cochran was brilliant”. I think Cochran was Cochran. Weak-willed, extremely scared of conflict, and willing to do anything (begging, groveling, flipping) not to go home. I haven’t seen anything (other than him non-convincingly telling Dawn that “promises were made”) that indicates he’s even considering how he gets to the end of the game and wins. He just panicked and took the easiest way to stay in the game (in fact, the only way to guarantee that he stayed). I’d respect his move a lot more if we saw him actually try to sow some division in Coach’s group or lay groundwork for a new alliance. What about saying he could get Dawn’s vote and that Coach could use it (with Brandon and Edna) to get out Albert and Sophie when the time comes? Coach would be all over that final-5, right? And then Cochran and Dawn at least have a reason for flipping. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-south-pacific-november-2-2011/601693.md?page=2)