# Survivor Valentine's Day! Love is in the air... **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 14, 2008, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-valentines-day-love-is-in-the-air/437667 "2008-02-14T22:32:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2008, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-valentines-day-love-is-in-the-air/437667/61 "2008-02-17T21:05:26Z")
[QUOTE=squeegee] Well, to be fair, a sports event isn’t recorded or edited (outside of instant replays), so it is a very different production process; its basically all live shooting plus a big semi of equipment to route all the signals and a director who picks the shots and overlays, plus some backup material like interviews that can be played at opportune times. Having said that, I’m not a TV pro, so I’m not sure what technical or budget issues a Survivor production would need to surmount to move to HD. And having said all that, I want Survivor in HD now, dammit. [/QUOTE] The point I was trying to make is that you need a lot of cameras to shoot a golf event. Several for each of the 18 holes, and then a bunch of roving ones. You wouldn’t need all that many for “Survivor”. I’m not sure how big a deal storage is for all the footage that is eventually edited out. ---
**Author:** ![PastAllReason](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f07891/32.png) [@PastAllReason](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastAllReason)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2008, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-valentines-day-love-is-in-the-air/437667/62 "2008-02-18T00:34:51Z")
[QUOTE=muldoonthief] I’d have to assume they don’t hold you at gunpoint - if you absolutely want to leave, you can leave, though you’d probably forfeit any prize money or payments. More probably though, he was able to stay in daily contact with his girlfriend while at Loser Lodge, and could get home in 24 hours if he had to. [/QUOTE] I’d actually be surprised if they did let him stay in contact with his girlfriend. I thought the whole point of keeping people at Loser’s Lodge was that they did NOT want leaked out who had been been voted off and who had not. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2008, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-valentines-day-love-is-in-the-air/437667/63 "2008-02-18T03:19:01Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] The point I was trying to make is that you need a lot of cameras to shoot a golf event. Several for each of the 18 holes, and then a bunch of roving ones. You wouldn’t need all that many for “Survivor”. I’m not sure how big a deal storage is for all the footage that is eventually edited out. [/QUOTE] I wasn’t disagreeing with you, just pointing out that a taped & edited production would have a very different production process compared to a live event, so there may be other hurdles to jump besides cameras. That’s all. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2008, 10:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-valentines-day-love-is-in-the-air/437667/64 "2008-02-18T22:32:07Z")
[QUOTE=PastAllReason] He was also stuck with a sucky tribe: Lill, Osten, and Savage, etc. One of the worst, ever, in my opinion. [/QUOTE] Probst would kill you where you stand for suggesting Savage wasn’t one of the best Survivors ever. In fact, I’m surprised he isn’t on Fans Vs Favorites. ---
**Author:** ![PastAllReason](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f07891/32.png) [@PastAllReason](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastAllReason)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2008, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-valentines-day-love-is-in-the-air/437667/65 "2008-02-18T22:54:50Z")
[QUOTE=Justin\_Bailey] Probst would kill you where you stand for suggesting Savage wasn’t one of the best Survivors ever. [/QUOTE] Yeah, well that won’t be keeping me up nights. Though on the whole I think he’s a pretty good host, he’s not exactly subtle. He’s pretty obvious about who he thinks is a good competitor, and they are those players who dominate at phyical challenges and aren’t exactly subtle themselves. I’d also be shocked to learn that he put any woman other than Stephanie in his “best Survivor” category. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2008, 11:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-valentines-day-love-is-in-the-air/437667/66 "2008-02-18T23:02:50Z")
[QUOTE=PastAllReason] I’d also be shocked to learn that he put any woman other than Stephanie in his “best Survivor” category. [/QUOTE] I hear he’s pretty fond of Julie Berry. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![PastAllReason](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f07891/32.png) [@PastAllReason](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastAllReason)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2008, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-valentines-day-love-is-in-the-air/437667/67 "2008-02-18T23:13:40Z")
[QUOTE=Justin\_Bailey] I hear he’s pretty fond of Julie Berry. 😉 [/QUOTE] Yeah, but I bet that he wouldn’t have said that she was a good competitor. Rather a chauvinist is Probst in my opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2008, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-valentines-day-love-is-in-the-air/437667/68 "2008-02-18T23:20:10Z")
[QUOTE=PastAllReason] Yeah, but I bet that he wouldn’t have said that she was a good competitor. Rather a chauvinist is Probst in my opinion. [/QUOTE] But is it really chauvinism if most of the women on the show really aren’t very good competitors? For every Stephenie and Amanda, there’s three Parvatis who decide the best way to win is to flirt their way to the top. Now I’ll leave all the men in this thread with the image of three Parvatis. ---
**Author:** ![PastAllReason](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f07891/32.png) [@PastAllReason](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastAllReason)\ **Post date:** [February 18, 2008, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-valentines-day-love-is-in-the-air/437667/69 "2008-02-18T23:39:13Z")
Yeah well Parvati never impressed me much, but that might be because I don’t have a Y chromosome. Turning to the current Survivor though are women that, in my opinion are pretty damn good at the game, who I’d be surprised would fall anywhere on Probst’s list of best Survivors. Topping that would be Cirie. I think that Cirie is a hell of a survivor competitor, because she excels at the social part of the game. My perspective of Probst has been coloured, I’ll admit by having listened to some of the commentaries on some of the DVDs that he’s done and by a while back reading his list of the top 20 or so survivors once they were several seasons in. It was notable, in my opinion, that the only woman who made the list was Stephanie. Not even Tina made the list. Most of the rest of the list suggested that Probst was picking a high school football team. ---
**Author:** ![rockle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/73ab20/32.png) [@rockle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rockle)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2008, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-valentines-day-love-is-in-the-air/437667/70 "2008-02-19T15:18:17Z")
[QUOTE=PastAllReason] Turning to the current Survivor though are women that, in my opinion are pretty damn good at the game, who I’d be surprised would fall anywhere on Probst’s list of best Survivors. Topping that would be Cirie. I think that Cirie is a hell of a survivor competitor, because she excels at the social part of the game. [/QUOTE] You know, I didn’t really care for Cirie before – _she was afraid of leaves, for heaven’s sake!_ – but she has grown on me. I think I would like her to do very well this time. And secretly I think part of that is because _she could snap Eliza, Amanda, and Parvati in half like twigs if she needed to_. I like that in a Survivor contestant. ---
**Author:** ![Roadfood](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9fc348/32.png) [@Roadfood](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roadfood)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2008, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-valentines-day-love-is-in-the-air/437667/71 "2008-02-21T00:38:25Z")
[QUOTE=brownie55] I’d bet that the ratio of Survivor “footage” to that of an hour drama is probably in the neighborhood of 25 to 1 in the early episodes. That might factor in. Also, I am still convinced that a lot of the wildlife is stock, and they might not all be available in HD. [/QUOTE] The Discovery Channel shoots “Deadliest Catch” in HD, fercrissakes. You can’t convince me that “Survivor” needs more cameras, or ends up with more footage, than that. “Survivor” has gotta earn tons more money than “Deadliest Catch”, and they’ve shown that on the latter they end up with over half their cameras as doorstops. So there’s really just no excuse at all for “Survivor” not being in HD. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2008, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-valentines-day-love-is-in-the-air/437667/72 "2008-02-21T01:54:44Z")
[QUOTE=PastAllReason] My perspective of Probst has been coloured, I’ll admit by having listened to some of the commentaries on some of the DVDs that he’s done and by a while back reading his list of the top 20 or so survivors once they were several seasons in. It was notable, in my opinion, that the only woman who made the list was Stephanie. Not even Tina made the list. Most of the rest of the list suggested that Probst was picking a high school football team. [/QUOTE] Well then maybe I’m a chauvinist too, because I don’t think Tina would make my top 50 Survivors. She’s the epitome of “coattail rider” and can only be counted among the winners because Colby was too much of a gentleman to say anything bad about her and he refused to take the dentist with him to the final 2 (where he would have been a lock). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/survivor-valentines-day-love-is-in-the-air/437667.md?page=3)