# Susanann, will you please bring your gun-totin' butt in here? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 20, 2002, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131 "2002-12-20T23:15:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Jonno](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f19dbf/32.png) [@Jonno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonno)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2002, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/1 "2002-12-20T23:15:05Z")
Coming from the GD [Police chases](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=151496) thread. **Susanann** , I can get past your black and white and nothing in between world view. I can get past the fact that you think that carrying a gun makes you immune to crime. Doesn’t make much sense around here, since we’re fighting ignorance, but maybe you’ll learn something. I cannot however, let this slide. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Susanann \* > Good for you! I love it every time I hear of another woman who carries. > > Too bad all women do not carry, rapists would go extinct. > > YOu are absolutely right!! The best idea is to not to be in a situation where you have to use a gun. > > Just “carrying” a gun, and being trained in self-defense, are 2 different things. Every woman should be totally trained in Paxton Quigley’s self defense methods, including awareness training. > There is always a theoretical mathematical less than a 1% chance that just one shot to the eyes and one shot to the head will not totally kill him( I guess). The stopping power of just one shot from a .357 is 96%. Being shot twice, the odds are really against the rapist. Shooting accurately, increases the odds even more. > > The infamous: **Allieen Worunous** , shot, stopped, and killed 9 out of 9 men with just a little .22 revolver. > > I dont know of any woman anywhere, outside of war time, who stopped more attackers with any caliber. > > My advice to you, from woman to woman, is to also carry a .32 derringer. I do as a backup. Small, light, even small enough to fit in a bra. Bolding mine. Yeah. [Aileen Wournos](http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/10/09/wuornos.execution/) is a real hero, isn’t she? All those big nasty men, they had it coming to them. This gets me. > [@](#): > > I dont know of any woman anywhere, outside of war time, who stopped more attackers with any caliber. Attackers? Her attackers? She murdered those men in cold blood. Although your attitude in the mentioned thread and also from [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=148471) now makes perfect sense in light of your chosen role models. And **Santa Claus**? All I want for Christmas is for this scary woman to live far, far away from me. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![XJETGIRLX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9fc29f/32.png) [@XJETGIRLX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XJETGIRLX)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2002, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/2 "2002-12-20T23:27:50Z")
Thank you **CelticCowboy**. I too am quite concerned at her cavalier attitude about firearms. I admit to owning and carrying (at times) a gun, but there is no excuse for _anyone_ to glorify violence for the sake of violence. Aileen Wournos? Are you a completely twisted sick fuck? This woman is an example of the worst type of scum in the universe, and you are trying to use her to prove your point? Dear God! I can’t even begin to express how incredibly sick I am to have had her respond (and agree) to my post about packing responsibly. I don’t carry a gun in hopes of one day being able to riddle someone with bullets to justify my pent up rage. That may not be what you meant, but that’s sure how it sounded from here. ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2002, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/3 "2002-12-20T23:32:20Z")
If it gets cold, her tit might acccidentally shoot somebody. ---
**Author:** ![Jonno](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f19dbf/32.png) [@Jonno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonno)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2002, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/4 "2002-12-20T23:33:27Z")
I wonder what caliber her nipples are? ---
**Author:** ![Tranquilis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tranquilis/32/3639_2.png) [@Tranquilis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tranquilis)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2002, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/5 "2002-12-20T23:41:51Z")
People with reckless attitudes make responsible people of all stripes cringe. ---
**Author:** ![XJETGIRLX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9fc29f/32.png) [@XJETGIRLX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XJETGIRLX)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2002, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/6 "2002-12-20T23:44:31Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Susanann_ > **Just “carrying” a gun, and being trained in self-defense, are 2 different things. Every woman should be totally trained in Paxton Quigley’s self defense methods, including awareness training. > There is always a theoretical mathematical less than a 1% chance that just one shot to the eyes and one shot to the head will not totally kill him( I guess). The stopping power of just one shot from a .357 is 96%. Being shot twice, the odds are really against the rapist. Shooting accurately, increases the odds even more.** Have you ever had to shoot someone? Have you ever been raped? Do you know how FUCKING DIFFICULT IT IS TO FIND CENTER MASS WHEN YOU’VE BEEN SLAMMED UNCONSCIOUS INTO THE PAVEMENT BEFORE YOU KNOW WHAT’S HIT YOU? Thank God I’ve never had to shoot someone, but if I’d had a gun at the time it wouldn’t have done any good. My dad was in Vietnam. I’ve got a friend who is a cop, and many more in the miliary. I can tell you that when the shit hits the fan your aim ain’t gonna be worth a shit. period. I appreciate that you’ve bothered to school yourself in such statistics, but you’ve got to realize that a gun only increases your chances of self defense. Even with martial arts training or other self-defense techniques you’re not totally safe. You never are. You never will be. While it’s true that you do stand a hell of a better chance with a gun in some situations than without, I don’t think you fully understand that your fear is only making you more vulnerable. You’re hiding behind these statistics rather than facing the truth that you feel threatened. I’m not sure if a gun is really the answer for you. From the two threads listed in the OP it sounds to me like you’ve got some serious issues concerning men, and they sound quite unhealthy. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2002, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/7 "2002-12-20T23:47:34Z")
**Susanann** , is one of those militia types who believe the Federal Government has become oppresive and people need to go around armed to the teeth in case they have to repel a foreign invasion or the oppresive Federal Government. All that would be fine with me if she could post coherently instead of doing drive-bys and ignoring everything that others post. I an thread discussing whether having vigilantes guarding the border is a good idea and where people have been discussing issues in depth for four pages She [does a driveby](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2705430#post2705430): > [@](#): > > If the U.S. army will not patrol and protect our borders, then it is up to our citizens to do so That is the extent of her contribution and she never came back to answer any of the questions put to her. It is just plain clear to her that having a bunch of rednecks armed and going around in search of illegal aliens is a good idea. No need to explain why or to address the objections of the other posters. In a thread about the state of the US economy she does pretty much the same: [a drive by](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2719636#post2719636) where she foams at the mouth incoherently about how the USA is going to hell in a handbasket. Her take on unemployment: > [@](#): > > It has to be higher than 6% for older white American born men in the computer industry. I know so many that cannot find a job, or that cannot find a job that lasts more than a few months. The immigrants dont seem to have a problem finding jobs in the computer industry, and we keep taking in more and more of them. The businesses around here look like the United Nations, and those companies brag that they are culturaly diverse. “white American born men” versus immigrants, huh? I am beginning to see her fundamentalist-militia type colors. In a thread about tax cuts she does another [a drive by](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2744985#post2744985) spouting more of her enlightened political views: > [@](#): > > There is no debate at all among any Libertarians, who are fighting to eliminate the income tax altogether, sponsored each session by Texas U.S. Congressman and ex-Libertarian presidential candidate Ron Paul. > > If more americans had voted for Ron Paul, there would be no debate at all anymore on this very old an archaic idea of an income tax, since it would have long vanished from existance. Which is not only a drive by, it is stupid and it is a highjack of the thread in question. And so we come to a thread discussing whether America can be called the land of the free. Again she spouts her views about how tirannical and oppresive the US government is. [There she says](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2744628#post2744628) pretty much that America has the highest taxes, the highest number of laws, the greatest number of lawyers and that it is going to hell in a handbasket. > [@](#): > > Americans pay about $2 TRILLION dollars in federal taxes, hundreds of them, excise, income, cigarette, oil, gasoline, luxury, estate, etc. > > In addition to the $ 2 TRILLION dollars in federal taxes, Americans also pay another TRILLION in state and local taxes( [http://w3.access.gpo.gov/usbudget/f...de/guide01.html](http://w3.access.gpo.gov/usbudget/f...de/guide01.html)) > > Furthermore, Americans have an accrued tax debt of $6,364,499,389,648.58(also known as the national debt of which the taxes have been defered)[http://www.brillig.com/debt\_clock/](http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/) > > Show everyone who has a “vastness of ignorance” by naming those countries which pay more in taxes than Americans, and list the sources. So I explain to her that absolute numbers mean nothing and it is what each person pays to the government as a percentage of what they produce which counts. I post link showing income tax rates in the US are generally lower than in other advanced countries. amarone posts: > [@](#): > > See [http://www.ssb.no/english/subjects/...2-18-01-en.html](http://www.ssb.no/english/subjects/...2-18-01-en.html) > > In 2000, the highest taxation is in Sweden, at 53% of GDP. The US is one of the lowest, at 29%. The lowest was Mexico, at 18% which shows the overall tax burden in the USA is considerably lower, by a wide margin, than in other advanced countries. But that does not matter to susanann. She just ignores everything and does not respond. In the same thread she claims there are “too many laws and too many lawyers” in the US. What there are in the US is too many idiots. That’s for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/8 "2002-12-21T00:18:17Z")
[Banjo music] Oh **Susannan** , don’t you cry for me. But I’ll cry a river at your idiocy [/banjo music] ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/9 "2002-12-21T00:26:54Z")
I knew this one was going to be special when I nailed her for [plagiarism](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=149948&perpage=50&pagenumber=2). ---
**Author:** ![lieu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/c2a13f/32.png) [@lieu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lieu)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/10 "2002-12-21T00:37:19Z")
Wow minty! She’s blown her foot plum clean off. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/11 "2002-12-21T00:41:33Z")
She’s like the religious zealots we get from time to time. They repeat the formulas they’ve heard but are completely incapable of reasoning or changing their mind on anything. I believe pigheaded is the technical term. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/12 "2002-12-21T01:16:20Z")
> [@](#): > > Have you ever had to shoot someone? Have you ever been raped? Do you know how FUCKING DIFFICULT IT IS TO FIND CENTER MASS WHEN YOU’VE BEEN SLAMMED UNCONSCIOUS INTO THE PAVEMENT BEFORE YOU KNOW WHAT’S HIT YOU? With all due respect, the possibility that somebody could sneak up on your unaware does not invalidate the wisdom of carrying implements of self defense. ---
**Author:** ![Protesilaus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Protesilaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Protesilaus)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/13 "2002-12-21T01:21:16Z")
Hmm… capable of repeating formulas but not reasoning, sees things in only two distinct states… And then there’s this: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by CelticCowboy \* > \*\*I wonder what caliber her nipples are? \*\* Of course! She’s a fembot! ---
**Author:** ![XJETGIRLX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/9fc29f/32.png) [@XJETGIRLX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XJETGIRLX)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/14 "2002-12-21T01:35:42Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Blalron \* > \*\*With all due respect, the possibility that somebody could sneak up on your unaware does not invalidate the wisdom of carrying implements of self defense. \*\* Oh, I know. That’s why I carry. But **Susanann** ’s assertion that: > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Susanann_ > Think what you will, but FYI, armed women are not raped. I cant even remember the last time an armed woman let herself be raped. strikes me as completely absurd. The idea that _any_ woman would **let** themselves be raped, let alone a woman with a gun is ridiculous. She seems to think that her weapon magically dispels all would-be attackers without her having to do a thing. Whether you have a gun or not, no one would _let_ themselves be raped, and if you do have a gun, that does not guarantee you will not be violated. That’s the point I was trying to make. ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/15 "2002-12-21T03:26:50Z")
…and since all rapes are reported in the media, along with the details as to the armed status of the victim… ---
**Author:** ![KellyM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/57b2e6/32.png) [@KellyM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KellyM)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/16 "2002-12-21T15:16:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > \*\*I knew this one was going to be special when I nailed her for [plagiarism](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=149948&perpage=50&pagenumber=2). \*\* Did you see her [response](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2751494#post2751494) to **Gaudere** ’s chastisement? Quite clearly to her, the ends justify the means. And her restatement of the policy she intends to follow does not correspond to the Board’s rules, which she also essentially admits not having read. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/17 "2002-12-21T15:24:20Z")
> [@](#): > > “I’d just like to say I’m sailing with the Rock and I’ll be back like ‘Independence Day’ with Jesus, June 6, like the movie, big mother ship and all. I’ll be back.” > – Wuornos’ final statement WTF? 😕 I know this quote has nothing really to do with the thread but I just couldn’t let it pass. ---
**Author:** ![Silentgoldfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@Silentgoldfish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silentgoldfish)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/18 "2002-12-21T15:49:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Diogenes the Cynic \* > \*\*WTF? 😕 > > I know this quote has nothing really to do with the thread but I just couldn’t let it pass. \*\* Well she _was_ insane… ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/19 "2002-12-21T16:11:16Z")
I believe I have found at one time some “official” government stats that did show that armed women were much, much less likely to ever be raped. However, if this is assumed to be true, having the gun doesn’t have to affect the equation any. I believe the article came down to this conclusion: since a woman who choses to buck the sociological stigma of having and carrying a gun (and the deluge of mass media telling her that her gun will only kill her and thousands of innocent blue-eyed children as soon as she touches it…and yes, I’m being hyperbolic) is likely either to: 1. be much, much, much more fearful and aware of the potential of being raped, and thus takes numerous precautions against having that happen. She rarely goes to dark places alone. Parks under a light. Walks with someone rather than alone. Is always looking around, aware of her surroundings. Hell, they say that even the way you walk and hold your head sends signals to a rapist: cautious walk, head down means “I am timid, and won’t fight.” Strong, fast walk, head up, looking around, means “I am not timid, I will fight back.” 2. or to simply avoid any and all potential situations altogether. Hide out at home, only go to work and the store when needed. The gun likely has nothing to do with it. ---
**Author:** ![Kal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/9de053/32.png) [@Kal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kal)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/20 "2002-12-21T16:11:52Z")
From this thread: [ladies: eew or ooh?](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=148968) where **raisinbread’s** OP asked: > [@](#): > > Ladies, when it comes to your feet being an object of attraction or someone who is simply attracted by feet are you disgusted, ambivalent or curious in a good way? we get this wonderful example of misandry: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Susanann \* > \*\*Why is it that men have all these fethishes and not women? > > This is just another example of the superiority of women, esp when it comes to sex. > > I agree with the earlier poster who says that this fetish is one of the more harmless sex problems that men have. > > It is men who have problems being potent, not women. It is men who need to fixate on feet, or breasts, or legs, or behinds, or lingerie, or whatever in order to get aroused. It is the men who do the raping, who are the child molestors, who feel the need to crossdress, etc. There are more male homosexuals than female homosexuals. It is men who want those s&m and other worse behaviors. It is men who have problems getting sex, not women. There are a lot more sexy and luring women than sexy men. It is men who go to prostitutes and need pornography. etc. > > What percent of men are normal and who have no fixations, no fetishes, no deviations, or no sexual problems at all? \*\* [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131.md?page=2)