# Susanann, will you please bring your gun-totin' butt in here? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 20, 2002, 11:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131 "2002-12-20T23:15:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/21 "2002-12-21T16:38:48Z")
Folks, she’s an idiot. That’s clear enough. There’s no sense in beating the horse–let it go. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/22 "2002-12-21T17:03:04Z")
Let me restate that. “Idiot” isn’t the right word. She’s ignorant, clueless, and posts well before she thinks. She also seems to have no understanding of the concept of plagiarism, which tends to bias me. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/23 "2002-12-21T17:17:26Z")
Does anyone feel reassured by the fact that the armed woman is an idiot? Man, I’d hate to go out with a woman like that and have any disagreement. Might get shot for forgetting to open the door . . . or for remembering to open it. . . you never know. As i said in my earlier post, she has a habit of doing drivebys and shooting from the hip (har har) and never coming back to explain or reason. I’m not expecting her to address what is being said here. OTOH, I don’t expect her to be around for long. There are probably other boards better suited for people like that. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/24 "2002-12-21T17:26:50Z")
I suppose those things could be true, **Anthracite** , but in the nearly 20 years that I’ve been involved in shooting sports and gun clubs and met various women from all over the country who carry guns, I’ve never met one who was afraid of being attacked. Much as I do now, most of them answered that they weren’t afraid, simply aware that there is a possibility of being attacked and they’d rather be prepared than unprepared. I don’t own a fire extinguisher because I fear fire. I don’t light candles only if they’re placed over large pools of water, I have no problem going to a bonfire, and I don’t spend every night afraid that my house will burn down while I’m asleep. I don’t wait for an escort to go out at night, I park my car wherever there’s an available space, and I’m not a terribly fast walker. I don’t hide in my house to avoid being attacked. I live my life, go about my business, and like my fire extinguisher, my pistol is there if I ever need to use it. That’s how most of the gun owning women I’ve met are, too. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/25 "2002-12-21T17:30:06Z")
I have been beaten badly enough by trespassers to be in the emergency room for seven hours and the hospital for three days. The incident made the front page: “Teacher Near Death.” The perp was caught. More recently, I was held up at gun point in a parking lot. Having taught high school for twenty years, I was brazen enough to make him give me my favorite purse back. Again, the perp was caught. Neither time did I wish that I had a handgun. The former Director of the State Mental Health Department in our state said that **guns kept in the home are more likely to kill a resident of that home than to kill anyone else.** ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/26 "2002-12-21T18:15:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by catsix \* > \*\*I suppose those things could be true, **Anthracite** , but in the nearly 20 years that I’ve been involved in shooting sports and gun clubs and met various women from all over the country who carry guns, I’ve never met one who was afraid of being attacked. > > Much as I do now, most of them answered that they weren’t afraid, simply aware that there is a possibility of being attacked and they’d rather be prepared than unprepared. I don’t own a fire extinguisher because I fear fire. I don’t light candles only if they’re placed over large pools of water, I have no problem going to a bonfire, and I don’t spend every night afraid that my house will burn down while I’m asleep. > > I don’t wait for an escort to go out at night, I park my car wherever there’s an available space, and I’m not a terribly fast walker. I don’t hide in my house to avoid being attacked. I live my life, go about my business, and like my fire extinguisher, my pistol is there if I ever need to use it. That’s how most of the gun owning women I’ve met are, too. \*\* My point was that one cannot say that having the gun makes a woman safer from rape. It might, but there is not enough evidence to draw such conclusions. My point is not addressing women in general who own and/or carry guns. Aren’t we saying the same thing on that point? 😕 > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Zoe \* > **The former Director of the State Mental Health Department in our state said that guns kept in the home are more likely to kill a resident of that home than to kill anyone else.** An anonymous appeal to an anonymous alleged authority (since when did a former director of State Mental Health become an expert on firearms issues? Since when, for that matter, did a lesbian coal power plant expert become one either?) on this issue does not in any way whatsoever make it true. There are about…let me check…46,221 GD threads where people debunk, attempt to debunk, or support that theory. I would say at best it is not easy to determine, nor to make any sort of sweeping generalization along those lines. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/27 "2002-12-21T19:22:46Z")
I don’t understand something. Is the woman carrying the gun in her hand? In a holster? Is it concealed in her purse? A rapist is not going to allow a woman to dig through her purse. As far as I know most rapes are a sudden attack with the woman having little time to respond. So unless she has it instantly at hand, what good is it going to do? ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/28 "2002-12-21T20:32:47Z")
Holstered and concealed is the best way to go. I can, after years of practice, draw and fire 3 on target shots in a about 1.25 seconds from my normal carry position. I don’t carry a purse, and even if I did, I’d never put a gun in it. Too easy to get it away from me. ---
**Author:** ![UncleBill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/d26b3c/32.png) [@UncleBill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UncleBill)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2002, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/29 "2002-12-21T23:12:34Z")
By having awareness and safety radii, you can begin to be ready. I’m not a woman and I’ve never been assaulted like this, but I’d wager many cases have the victim “have a funny feeling” about the attcker-to-be, or the area they are in. Those cases where the victim is whacked over the head from behind, having heard or sensed _nothing_, I do not see carrying being helpful. But I’d wager that is not the more common MO. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/30 "2002-12-28T19:13:23Z")
**susanann** is at it again. In [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2775991#post2775991) she insists that > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Susanann \* > **No Swiss general, nor the president of Switzerland has the power to surrender** and when questioned about that goes into posting loads of fancy stories about how ready the Swiss are to fight etc. But not a single point supporting that “No Swiss general, nor the president of Switzerland has the power to surrender”. And she keeps going, and going, and going, always ignoring the question and just posting more garbage in an attempt to create a smoke screen. And then we have [this gem:](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=153073) > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Susanann \* > \*\*There are generally two types of Europeans. > > Depending on which country you are from, you have one of 2 different types of resentment towards the US: > > 1. The Euopeans from a country whose rear end we saved. > > 2. The Europeans from a country whose rear end we kicked. \*\* Man, it must be wonderful to live in such a simple world. Of course, the problem is in such world Switzerland and Portugal don’t exist. ---
**Author:** ![minty\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f6c823/32.png) [@minty\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/minty_green)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/31 "2002-12-28T19:33:00Z")
Paranoid, ignorant, unethical, and heavily armed . . . what a combination, huh? ---
**Author:** ![Avalonian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ee7513/32.png) [@Avalonian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Avalonian)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2002, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/32 "2002-12-28T19:59:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by minty green \* > \*\*Paranoid, ignorant, unethical, and heavily armed . . . what a combination, huh? \*\* Don’t forget reactionary, arrogant, and a plagarist. Jeez. I think I’ve only run into **Susanann** once on the SDMB, and I’m glad it’s been limited to that. I hate to think what would happen if I met her on the street; she’d probably shoot me just because of how I look. 6’6", long hair, large hands and feet… I present such an obvious “threat” I’d wind up dead on sight. Yeesh. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/33 "2002-12-31T15:15:37Z")
susanann, I am so fucking tired of you and [your lying and your idiocy](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2787734#post2787734). You are a pathetic idiot. You go around making all sorts of assertions and you, not only cannot support them, but just ignore any proof to the contrary. In GQ we deal with FACTS and your assertions have proven to be LIES. Please shut the fuck up. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/34 "2002-12-31T15:33:53Z")
And just at look at [susanann’s last post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2776400#post2776400): > [@](#): > > it was illegal!!! for women to wear pants in most states until the 1970’s. What an idiot ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/35 "2002-12-31T15:42:01Z")
I just got a flash of **sailor** saying that in the Hermione voice as when the kids were all taking flying lessons in _Harry Potter_. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/36 "2002-12-31T16:03:45Z")
Sweeping generalizations. Unsupported allegations. Flawed reasoning. Hyperbole. Plagiarism. Incoherent exposition. Bad grammar. All this in just one post (pick any). All the good things GD is made of… NOT. I wonder why GD just didn’t implode. How do these people crawl out of their holes and find their way here? ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/37 "2002-12-31T16:13:24Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mighty\_Girl \* > \*\*How do these people crawl out of their holes and find their way here? \*\* I like to assume that these people are “endangered” and as such are protected by the government, until they slowly die out.😃 ---
**Author:** ![sugaree](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@sugaree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugaree)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/38 "2002-12-31T16:18:30Z")
I’m just furious that someone who is trying to project this erudite and knowledgable scholar of feminism image cannot even associate the names George Sand and Colette with literature, and doesn’t know the difference between “legal” and “customary”. Protective self-disclaimer: I am not trying to project a erudite and knowledgable scholar of jack shit image of myself. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/39 "2002-12-31T16:22:22Z")
“Endangered” they may be (stupidity is one of life’s great hazzards), but they don’t seem to be dying out. Actually they are more and more of them… lots of them… crawling up the walls… a great invasion. They will soon devour us [sup][sub]Ok, I saw Night of the Living Dead last night. It seemed appropriate: brain-dead people invade us, eat our brains.[/sub][/sup] :eek: ---
**Author:** ![KellyM](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/57b2e6/32.png) [@KellyM](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KellyM)\ **Post date:** [December 31, 2002, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131/40 "2002-12-31T16:42:01Z")
I considered trying to refute some of her interesting “facts” about crossdressing and laws against it in that last thread, but decided that there just aren’t enough hours in the day. Besides, I’d have to go do research and actually FIND the citations that I’d be using. Unlike her, who just seems to make them up as it goes. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/susanann-will-you-please-bring-your-gun-totin-butt-in-here/144131.md?page=3)