# Svt4Him, the cock is crowing **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 23, 2003, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/svt4him-the-cock-is-crowing/190331 "2003-07-23T06:25:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/svt4him-the-cock-is-crowing/190331/1 "2003-07-23T06:25:29Z")
Svt4Him, I’ve asked you a simple question about your dearly held beliefs. To wit: > [@](#): > > \*\* > Let me tell you a little story. Hold on to your bladders, folks, because we’re about to take a TRIP STRAIGHT TO HELL!!! > > (BTW, I feel obligated to remind everyone that I am not a sicko. If I seem particularly imaginative on the hell issue, let me remind you that I recently visited a torture museum hosted by Amnesty International. If you want to suspect anyone of being a sicko, I’d suggest that you look to the people who actually believe in this stuff, and believe it to be a good thing, and even, at times, seem to delight in the idea that people who disagree with them will go to hell.) > > Let’s say you have two coworkers living in 1930’s Germany. One is a Christian, and the other is a Jew. The Christian tries to convert the Jew (let’s call her Miriam,) but he’s an ignorant dork and doesn’t do a very good job of it. Miriam (who is, by the way, very orthodox and observant, and loves God with all her heart,) listens with an open mind, but isn’t convinced. Miriam concludes that God made a covenant, and that He would never break it. Besides, Christianity just seems blasphemous to her, and the supposed proof that she was presented with just doesn’t hold up. In her mind, Christianity is tantamount to an insult to God, and she would never insult the God whom she loves so much by believing that He would break His word- at least, not without damned good reason. The Christian shrugs and tells himself the typical excuse: “Oh well. The good news is that my skill at proselytization doesn’t matter one whit as to whether someone goes to heaven or hell. She _chooses_ to reject God, and that’s not my fault.” > > Then the Nazis take over. The Christian manages to keep his head down and stay out of trouble. He dies of old age, and spends an eternity of bliss with God in heaven. > > Miriam, who has spent all her life working for charity, has a chance to get out but stays behind to help others, and is sent to a concentration camp. And now, we apply the spoiler tag: > > While in the concentration camp, she sees her baby, still twitching as it is skewered on a bayonet, tossed into a vat of boiling lye and hears it scream as its flesh is boiled from its bones. She herself is brutally gang raped until the ligaments supporting her uterus tear loose, causing her vagina to flop inside out and dangle bloodily between her legs. She dies soon of blood loss, much to her relief, because her great faith in God tells her that she can rely on God to keep His promises. > > Then she finds that she’s in Hell. Whups! I guess God can change his mind after all. > > The demons rip away Miriam’s eyelids, so that she cannot avert her gaze as she sees her baby thrown into a vat of lye. His cries cut her to the core of her soul as his skin is stripped from him, his flesh eaten but not consumed, burned for all eternity. Maybe Christians no longer believe in infant damnation- but the demons are masters of illusion, and are clever in their tortures. > > With wheels shod in red-hot iron the demons smash Miriam’s limbs to pulp, reducing her to a bloody, squirming, shrieking thing like some boneless sea creature hauled up in a fisherman’s net. They weave her limbs into the fence of the City of Dis, where she must watch as over and over again ravens smash their beaks of broken glass into her lidless eyes, only to have them grow afresh so that they might be ripped in bloody gobbets from their sockets without end. And over and over, without pause, the demons use her in unspeakable ways until her violated flesh is no more than bloody tatters quivering with pain. > > After countless ages of her torment, when her entire existence seems nothing more than pointless suffering extending without end into past and future, just as her last, faded memory of her earthly existence flickers before being extinguished forever and she is cast into an eternal darkness in which suffering is all she knows, all she has ever known, and all that will ever be, at that moment she knows true despair, for she knows that she has no hope. > > And she wonders: why has God turned his back on me? Didn’t we have a covenant? Have I not kept His commandments? Haven’t I loved God with all my heart? > > But we all know the answer. There’s no point in blaming God. _She_ turned her back on _him._ All her fault, really, so no use whining. > > And then that last memory of life is put out, and she truly becomes a creature, a native, of hell. For hell consumes her entire consciousness. She knows nothing of anything but foulness and degradation and pain, and never will. > > Oh, BTW, you can find a recent photo of Miriam at the bottom of this page. > > So, could we have some hallelujahs? Any fundamentalist here willing to go on the record to state that Miriam’s case is an example of perfect divine justice? \*\* And yet, for some reason, you’re unwilling to stand and be counted. You believe that nonchristians all go to hell, and yet you weasel endlessly on whether God’s divine wisdom and perfect justice is really made manifest by the eternal torment of a saintly- but human- woman who rejects Christianity out of devotion to God. Why is this? Why are you so ashamed of your beliefs? All it takes is a simple yes or no. Like this: “Of course she’s going to hell. All nonchristians go to hell, and I think that’s proof of just how wonderful God is. If she can’t see that Christianity is obviously true, the dumbass deserves what she gets. Praise Jesus!” Let me ask you something, Svt4Him. Will God forgive your cowardice? If you deny your beliefs on Earth, will Jesus deny you in heaven? ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 6:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/svt4him-the-cock-is-crowing/190331/2 "2003-07-23T06:38:14Z")
Like this will have any further impact upon whatever Svt is. ---
**Author:** ![Spit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/76d3ee/32.png) [@Spit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spit)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 6:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/svt4him-the-cock-is-crowing/190331/3 "2003-07-23T06:54:42Z")
Wow. Just…Wow. ---
**Author:** ![Nanoda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/ce73a5/32.png) [@Nanoda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nanoda)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/svt4him-the-cock-is-crowing/190331/4 "2003-07-23T06:56:35Z")
Well, to coin a phrase, “Cite?”. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/svt4him-the-cock-is-crowing/190331/5 "2003-07-23T07:00:03Z")
> [@](#): > > Originally posted by Svt4him > So, could we have some hallelujahs? I think you just committed SDMB suicide. ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/svt4him-the-cock-is-crowing/190331/6 "2003-07-23T07:00:22Z")
[http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=198750&perpage=50&pagenumber=2](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=198750&perpage=50&pagenumber=2) ---
**Author:** ![Ben](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/df788c/32.png) [@Ben](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ben)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/svt4him-the-cock-is-crowing/190331/7 "2003-07-23T07:02:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by iampunha \* > \*\*I think you just committed SDMB suicide. \*\* Huh? The quote is my Hell Challenge. Svt4Him wasn’t asking for hallelujahs- that’s the point. He’s unwilling to stand up for his (repulsive) beliefs. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/svt4him-the-cock-is-crowing/190331/8 "2003-07-23T07:06:54Z")
Ah, it would appear that I was incorrect in my attribution of that quote. My apologies. In my defense, no link was given. Ben, what the hell kind of hallucinogens were you on when you wrote that? ---
**Author:** ![SanibelMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e4f/32.png) [@SanibelMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanibelMan)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/svt4him-the-cock-is-crowing/190331/9 "2003-07-23T07:29:37Z")
Anyone else thoroughly disturbed, nervous and unhappy after reading that? Not saying anyone put a gun to my head and made me read it, just that I regret doing so. I was carefree 20 minutes ago. ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 8:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/svt4him-the-cock-is-crowing/190331/10 "2003-07-23T08:00:00Z")
It filled me with jollies. Mostly because, if I didn’t force myself to take joy at the stupidity of evil people - such as Svt4Him - I’d go insane and hunt them all down with a spatula. Oh, and does Svt4Him’s name make anyone think “S-wing Vs. TIE Fighter (For Him)”? ---
**Author:** ![3trew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/3/13edae/32.png) [@3trew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/3trew)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/svt4him-the-cock-is-crowing/190331/11 "2003-07-23T08:13:05Z")
I don’t get images of Star Wars stuff, but I used “Svt” as a short form for Soviet during a whole bunch of History and Political Science classes, and it still presents an interesting picture. ---
**Author:** ![anya\_marie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ebca7d/32.png) [@anya\_marie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anya_marie)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 9:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/svt4him-the-cock-is-crowing/190331/12 "2003-07-23T09:30:01Z")
I’m with SanibelMan, and completely horrified by that. Your story probably will scare people out of a Christian church, because who can believe that Jesus, who did preach love would permit this. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 10:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/svt4him-the-cock-is-crowing/190331/13 "2003-07-23T10:04:09Z")
The thing to remember, Ben, is that the Christian nutjobs are imagining a sick, dark fantasy that has no meaning whatsoever in reality. Let them ruin their lives dreaming up such unspeakable hatred. If there was such a thing as Hell, they would be the ones headed right for it. Let them burn in their eternal fire. They are evil, and shall reap what they sow. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 10:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/svt4him-the-cock-is-crowing/190331/14 "2003-07-23T10:36:04Z")
Indeed. “A tree is known by the fruit it bears.” — Jesus ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/svt4him-the-cock-is-crowing/190331/15 "2003-07-23T11:16:48Z")
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**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 11:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/svt4him-the-cock-is-crowing/190331/16 "2003-07-23T11:20:43Z")
The link provided, by **SVT** has the famous sounds of hell story. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/svt4him-the-cock-is-crowing/190331/17 "2003-07-23T11:41:29Z")
Oh, good God almighty. I don’t care what **Svt4Him** says about himself, that was one of the sickest things I’ve ever read in my life. That, more than anything, is what makes me distrust most prosetylizing Christians. I can’t be afraid of that which I don’t believe, and the scene he describes (and I don’t care if it’s true or not; that’s not the point) is so utterly repellent and disgusting that I want nothing to do with him or his precious fucking religion. Fucking coward. Robin ---
**Author:** ![PatriotX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c4cdca/32.png) [@PatriotX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatriotX)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/svt4him-the-cock-is-crowing/190331/18 "2003-07-23T11:46:03Z")
This sort of pitch is an attempt @ blackmail. ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/svt4him-the-cock-is-crowing/190331/19 "2003-07-23T12:12:40Z")
I kind of consider it more of a viral meme than blackmail. If one really believes that such stuff is true, then they would feel obligated to save as many people as they can from such a horrible fate. All it takes is a few to believe it for more extremely virulent “carriers” to be released into the wild. ---
**Author:** ![grimpixie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecb155/32.png) [@grimpixie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/grimpixie)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2003, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/svt4him-the-cock-is-crowing/190331/20 "2003-07-23T12:15:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MsRobyn \* > \*\*Oh, good God almighty. I don’t care what **Svt4Him** says about himself, that was one of the sickest things I’ve ever read in my life. That, more than anything, is what makes me distrust most prosetylizing Christians. I can’t be afraid of that which I don’t believe, and the scene he describes (and I don’t care if it’s true or not; that’s not the point) is so utterly repellent and disgusting that I want nothing to do with him or his precious fucking religion. > > Fucking coward. > > Robin \*\* Robin - that quote was **Ben** ’s attempt to extapolate **Svt4Him** ’s beliefs into a disgusting story and then mock him when he recoilled from it. **Ben** said (in this very thread): > [@](#): > > The quote is my Hell Challenge. Svt4Him wasn’t asking for hallelujahs- that’s the point. He’s unwilling to stand up for his (repulsive) beliefs. FWIW, I think this is not really a valid exercise - any more than the “Happy Heathen” debate was. Grim [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/svt4him-the-cock-is-crowing/190331.md?page=2)