Saved for how long? Some of those people might die of something else in the next six months.
Would certainly be nice if the vaccine were some sort of fountain of youth or elixir, but I fear it’s not.
Yes, there’s lots of old people who would’ve died this year anyways. Do you have some cutoff age in mind for medical care? Do you think it’s a waste to give them vaccines?
Of course I don’t, and I never said anything of the sort. Do you?
Well, then I don’t get your point about mentioning many people would have died anyway. I mean, if they have a deadly fire at an old folks home, does the fact that a bunch of them would have died in six months occur to you?
I was addressing the notion that there is some kind of light at the end of a covid tunnel that will let everyone who would have died of the disease now enjoy long and healthy years without even a light touch in the way of restrictions and with no grind. I’m not sure it’s going to work that way, for many of those folks. I certainly hope it will, don’t get me wrong. But I wouldn’t count on their leaders looking at it that way.
I mean, months ago I wouldn’t have been crazily far from that idea. If this was going on forever, we have to live with people dying from it. But there’s a bunch of apparently very useful vaccines coming. Can’t leave people behind now.
I would love to examine this notion in more detail. Do you have links to people expressing it?
Unlike in the spring of 2020, hospitals in Stockholm are getting overrun from the pandemic. Stockholm is at 99% of ICU capacity.
99 percent of ICU places in Stockholm region filled: “The situation is very serious”
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from here from the guy who is keeping stats on a web page on the coronavirus in Sweden cited earlier in the thread
I wish everyone well in regards to the pandemic, regardless of where they’re located.
Here you go. 
Vaccine’s a hell of a drug.
The amount of deaths in Sweden is increasing. A lot of people are dying. More people are going to die. Are you seriously suggesting we shouldn’t bother as they might die of something else in the next six months?
As someone in a risk group (and as such has really not been a fan of Sweden’s approach as it very much has put me at risk), I thank you for your concern.
So a press release has been , err, released telling us to read an SMS in three days.
But yeah, it seems stricter measures in some form are on the way. Or maybe it is just reminding us of the current measures? Who knows? I guess it’ll give me something to think about over the weekend.
I’m not, no. I’m simply observing it is naive reasoning to believe that a firmer touch in the way of lockdown measures is going to keep ‘everyone’ alive for six months. I’m assuming there is some sort of calculus implicit in that line of reasoning, and if so it’s clear that it’s incomplete. (If it’s not clear, then replace ‘six months’ with ‘six years’.)
In the US, they could sign that with ‘Have a great weekend. YOLO.’ since people would.
Sweden’s health care workers are quitting in high numbers, leaving the health care system in even bigger danger. Sweden is trying to get help from Finland, but they have their own problems.
[There’s an interesting graph in the article overlaying the case rates of several European countries. Sweden’s curve starts out later and has a much steeper rise that hasn’t gone down, than the other countries.]
Emergency care physician Dr. Andreas Lunded was recently interviewed by the BBC (bit about Sweden starting at 45:00 Link) about the situation in Sweden.
Lunded does say that that even with the current laws, they could have done better and had stricter measures. What I’m interested in is if the part I quoted is true, namely even IF they would have wanted to do similar lockdowns to other countries, they would have been unable to do so legally.
That’s been Sweden’s stance since the beginning that they could only give recommendations and not make anything enforceable. They maintain that the citizens are responsible enough to follow recommendations.
We’ll see on Monday.when they get a text with Covid-19 regulations if they’re enforceable or not.
There’s also an emergency proposal that would seem to override that legal problem.
Don’t take anything he says seriously.
Everyone down here on the European continent (outside the usual bunch of vaccine-and-virus skeptics) knows Sweden’s approach has been a slow motion disaster.
Well, you are of course more than welcome to whatever metrics you desire.
I will not respond to you outside of the only context where I can speak directly.
So the SMS being sent to the nation went out out today. I received it two minutes ago.
Amazingly, it mentions to read more at the website and was supposed to contain a link. But they managed to not include the link. So, basically, it is a message telling you to follow the rules but fails to give you a link to where you can read the rules.
As comically badly prepared as the rest of the COVID-19 response.