# Swedish foreign minister stabbed. Upcoming referendum cause? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 10, 2003, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swedish-foreign-minister-stabbed-upcoming-referendum-cause/200816 "2003-09-10T19:12:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swedish-foreign-minister-stabbed-upcoming-referendum-cause/200816/21 "2003-09-11T10:08:37Z")
That’s really sad. My sympathies to all the Swedish dopers. ---
**Author:** ![essohbee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71c47a/32.png) [@essohbee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/essohbee)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 10:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swedish-foreign-minister-stabbed-upcoming-referendum-cause/200816/22 "2003-09-11T10:22:08Z")
So many thoughts, so little to say. Rest in peace Anna, you will be missed. ---
**Author:** ![Floater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/dc4da7/32.png) [@Floater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Floater)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 10:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swedish-foreign-minister-stabbed-upcoming-referendum-cause/200816/23 "2003-09-11T10:56:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by essohbee \* > So many thoughts, so little to say. Rest in peace Anna, you will be missed. Amen! ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 11:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swedish-foreign-minister-stabbed-upcoming-referendum-cause/200816/24 "2003-09-11T11:02:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Roger\_Mexico \* > \*\*…[http://islamonline.net/English/News/2002-08/05/article20.shtml](http://islamonline.net/English/News/2002-08/05/article20.shtml) > > Maybe the assassin was a fucking anti-democratic Zionist dipshit? \*\* Doubtful. The attacker of the Paris mayor was an Algerian Muslim. The murderer of Pim Fortuyn was motivated by fanatical support for Muslim ‘immigrants’. From my understanding, the hard left in Sweden is extremly opposed to some of the fiscal regulations that come along with the Euro, thinking that it will threaten their socialist state. This attack was probably carried out by some fanatical leftist. ---
**Author:** ![Husker\_Dude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/d6d6ee/32.png) [@Husker\_Dude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Husker_Dude)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swedish-foreign-minister-stabbed-upcoming-referendum-cause/200816/25 "2003-09-11T11:13:24Z")
This is a tragedy. My deepest sympathies go out to my Swedish brothers and sisters. I don’t pay that much attention to Swedish politics, so I might be completely wrong here, but didn’t the neo-nazis label Anna Lindh as traitor to her country recently? ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 11:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swedish-foreign-minister-stabbed-upcoming-referendum-cause/200816/26 "2003-09-11T11:16:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Brutus \* > \*\* > From my understanding, the hard left in Sweden is extremly opposed to some of the fiscal regulations that come along with the Euro, thinking that it will threaten their socialist state. This attack was probably carried out by some fanatical leftist. \*\* There is no straight “left for, right against” split here. There are many people from all over the political spectrum who are anti-Euro. But _obviously_ it is the fanatical leftists. ---
**Author:** ![Rune](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e68b1a/32.png) [@Rune](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rune)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swedish-foreign-minister-stabbed-upcoming-referendum-cause/200816/27 "2003-09-11T11:19:53Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Hüsker Düde_ > […]didn’t the neo-nazis label Anna Lindh as traitor to her country recently? Neo Nazis? You mean they could actually agree on something? All four of them?! - Rune ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swedish-foreign-minister-stabbed-upcoming-referendum-cause/200816/28 "2003-09-11T11:21:20Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Brutus \* > \*\*The murderer of Pim Fortuyn was motivated by fanatical support for Muslim ‘immigrants’. \*\* Slight misrepresentation there, **Brutus** : > [@](#): > > Van der Graaf said he killed Fortuyn because he thought he was a threat to the “weaker” groups in society, like immigrants and animals. [Cite](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3076853.stm). There are a lot of different kinds of immigrant in the Netherlands. And he was an animal rights activist. And a lone nutjob. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 11:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swedish-foreign-minister-stabbed-upcoming-referendum-cause/200816/29 "2003-09-11T11:59:10Z")
I have a BBC [cite](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/europe/2907079.stm) as well. > [@](#): > > …Mr Van der Graaf gunned down Mr Fortuyn as he left a radio studio in Hilversum in May, after lying in wait for him in bushes nearby. > > He told the court that Mr Fortuyn’s rise in popularity could be compared to that of Hitler, and Muslim immigrants and other “vulnerable” members of society were being put at risk… ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swedish-foreign-minister-stabbed-upcoming-referendum-cause/200816/30 "2003-09-11T12:22:26Z")
P.S., It’s not on any news sites (that I read) yet, but someone at another forum is talking about another stabbing at a kindergarten? Any Swedish dopers confirm that? ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swedish-foreign-minister-stabbed-upcoming-referendum-cause/200816/31 "2003-09-11T12:30:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Brutus \* > \*\*P.S., > It’s not on any news sites (that I read) yet, but someone at another forum is talking about another stabbing at a kindergarten? Any Swedish dopers confirm that? \*\* Yep: [http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/telegram/0,1082,62294252\_852\_\_,00.html](http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/telegram/0,1082,62294252_852__,00.html) It was in Arvika, on the other side of Sweden from Stockholm (i.e. near Norway). The child was dead on arrival at the hospital, Police suspect a psychiatric patient. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swedish-foreign-minister-stabbed-upcoming-referendum-cause/200816/32 "2003-09-11T12:48:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Brutus \* > \*\*I have a BBC [cite](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/world/europe/2907079.stm) as well. \*\* Apologies (though I don’t think Islam was his _primary_ motive). ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swedish-foreign-minister-stabbed-upcoming-referendum-cause/200816/33 "2003-09-11T13:00:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jjimm \* > \*\*Apologies (though I don’t think Islam was his _primary_ motive). \*\* None needed. Reporting varied(ies) from site to site, even within the same site. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swedish-foreign-minister-stabbed-upcoming-referendum-cause/200816/34 "2003-09-11T13:03:20Z")
My condolences and profound sympathy to all the Swedish Dopers. I hope you catch the barbarian responsible quickly. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swedish-foreign-minister-stabbed-upcoming-referendum-cause/200816/35 "2003-09-11T17:38:30Z")
The thing is, when right-wing anti-democratic fucking dipshits (i.e. neo-nazis) rally and commit crime, it’s such a big atrocity. When left-wing anti-democratic fucking dipshits do the same, they’re just misguided youths. Well I’m fucking tired of that. ‘Reclaims the streets’ bullshit (reclaim from whom, for what?), anti-globalisation demonstrations where the strong argument is to throw bricks trough store windows and torching trucks from McD. I don’t care about the motives, because many of those that commit these crimes don’t even fucking know why they do it. It’s just to sorta… you know, protest against the… um… establishment, kinda. These people are criminals with as little respect for democracy as the dipshit neo-nazis on the right. Maybe it was a lone madman. But given the quality of debate leading up to the referendum, I really, really doubt that it would be a person from the extreme right, should the motive be political. Anna Lindh was a fabulous politician. Strong and hard as steel, when needed, while showing loads of compassion and empathy at all other times. Always well read (and a law school major), with good strong arguments. She recently critisized the Italian government harshly and was never afraid when someone picked a political fight with her. She would have made a great prime minister (she was being groomed for the job). Most of all, she was a _good_ person, and there are too few of those in politics. She had strong beliefs and she fought for those beliefs and never sold out. I admired her for that, and for her genuine desire to do good, while not being a wishy-washy do-gooder, if that makes sense at all ---
**Author:** ![LilyoftheValley](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/54ee81/32.png) [@LilyoftheValley](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilyoftheValley)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swedish-foreign-minister-stabbed-upcoming-referendum-cause/200816/36 "2003-09-11T19:25:45Z")
We live in the US but still follow Swedish politics. Have relatives personally involved in the EMU debate as well. MrValley woke me up this morning to tell me that Anna Lindh had died. It was like a kick in the stomach. I feel terrible for her two young boys. Well, I didn’t say anything of interest to anyone but me, but thanks for giving me a place to say it. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swedish-foreign-minister-stabbed-upcoming-referendum-cause/200816/37 "2003-09-11T22:27:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Gaspode \* > **The thing is, when right-wing anti-democratic fucking dipshits (i.e. neo-nazis) rally and commit crime, it’s such a big atrocity. When left-wing anti-democratic fucking dipshits do the same, they’re just misguided youths. Well I’m fucking tired of that. ‘Reclaims the streets’ bullshit (reclaim from whom, for what?), anti-globalisation demonstrations where the strong argument is to throw bricks through store windows and torching trucks from McD. I don’t care about the motives, because many of those that commit these crimes don’t even fucking know why they do it. It’s just to sorta… you know, protest against the… um… establishment, kinda.** Yeah, it’s almost as bad as when the mainstream media and conservatives imply, or even state outright, that these violent dipshits constitue the majority of the anti-globalization (or whatever) crowds, rather than a very small, visually-prominent minority. On the issue of Lindh’s murder. i think i’ll wait until they find out who did it, rather than just conclude that it was some left-wing nutjob, in the absence of any evidence whatsoever. ---
**Author:** ![Merlyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@Merlyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merlyn)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2003, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swedish-foreign-minister-stabbed-upcoming-referendum-cause/200816/38 "2003-09-11T22:36:23Z")
I have recently moved to Göteborg and follow these procedings with great sadness. All i can hope is that if it IS an anti-EMU plot/nut, that this despicable act serves as a solidifying act AGAINST the very motives that drove this vile atrocity. I hope to call this country home with my new wife and enjoy the openess and freedom it brings. This news just serves to show that in this day and age there is no true “safe” land. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2003, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swedish-foreign-minister-stabbed-upcoming-referendum-cause/200816/39 "2003-09-12T06:56:24Z")
Friday morning update. The police now have a suspect. A 32 y.o.man is wanted for questioning. The alleged killer is a drug addict with a history of violence, and is judged as mentally unstable. According to one newspaper source, he’s been seen earlier in life doing nazi salutes and hanging around with skinheads. So lonely _right_-wing anti-democratic fucking dipshit. And I’m sure some poster here are happy that I was wrong, as it looks right now. ---
**Author:** ![Henry\_B](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/d78d45/32.png) [@Henry\_B](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Henry_B)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2003, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swedish-foreign-minister-stabbed-upcoming-referendum-cause/200816/40 "2003-09-12T07:04:53Z")
Just for Your knowledge: Last time there was a political murder in Finland, in the -30ties, it was made by a far right guy. The meanining was to put the blame on the far left, but the assassine shot himself (litteraly) in his leg and could not escape. All shit about that he is from this wing or that wing, is just pure speculations. (Even if i really believe that he is a neo-nazi = insane.) Henry [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swedish-foreign-minister-stabbed-upcoming-referendum-cause/200816.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swedish-foreign-minister-stabbed-upcoming-referendum-cause/200816.md?page=3)