# Sweet Mother of God, Hip-Hop Sucks! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 16, 2022, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-mother-of-god-hip-hop-sucks/961208 "2022-03-16T20:37:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-mother-of-god-hip-hop-sucks/961208/61 "2022-03-17T15:08:48Z")
Hip-hop is huge in France, probably more so than in Britain… [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/M2_eeRacvzc/hqdefault.jpg "Fabe - Befa Surprend Ses Frères - Unik Records - 1995") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2_eeRacvzc) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-mother-of-god-hip-hop-sucks/961208/62 "2022-03-17T15:18:00Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Listen to some Johnny Cash Johnny Cash’s music sounds nothing like country music. I love Johnny Cash. So I guess the key to getting me to like country music is to make it sound nothing like country music. To me, country music is fully of twangy, cracking voices, and/or twangy guitars and banjos. Johnny Cash sounds about as country as Elvis Presley. Conversely, although Lynyrd Skynyrd is considered rock, it sounds like country to me and I’ve never been able to stand it. (At least not _Free Bird_ or _Sweet Home Alabama_.) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-mother-of-god-hip-hop-sucks/961208/63 "2022-03-17T15:26:39Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Johnny Cash’s music sounds nothing like country music. saywhutnow? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-mother-of-god-hip-hop-sucks/961208/64 "2022-03-17T15:26:41Z")
Hip-hop for old white guys: [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/85G5SI5Nu3s/hqdefault.jpg "Rappin' Duke - Shawn Brown a.k.a. The Rappin' Duke (1984)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85G5SI5Nu3s) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-mother-of-god-hip-hop-sucks/961208/65 "2022-03-17T15:27:14Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > saywhutnow? I explained myself in the rest of my post. I can only assume you’re just clowning now. (Which I’m cool with, by the way.) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-mother-of-god-hip-hop-sucks/961208/66 "2022-03-17T15:29:16Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I explained myself in the part of the post you cut out. You did–but saying what it sounds like “to you” and saying Johnny Cash isn’t country music is, to be mild, an _idiosyncratic_ definition of country music. Cash is one of the all-time great country music artists. Do you mean to say that you dislike the sort of country music that plays on FM stations owned by Clear Channel? Because that ain’t country. ---
**Author:** ![Chingon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chingon/32/17645_2.png) [@Chingon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chingon)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-mother-of-god-hip-hop-sucks/961208/67 "2022-03-17T15:34:11Z")
And that’s called Irony! ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-mother-of-god-hip-hop-sucks/961208/68 "2022-03-17T15:35:40Z")
Glad it’s appreciated 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-mother-of-god-hip-hop-sucks/961208/69 "2022-03-17T15:39:13Z")
If someone ever asks me what a typical Doper is like, I’ll point to this thread. It’s another “I can make it better and cheaper at home” faux elitist bullshit. I say faux, because when Kendrick Lamar got a fuckin’ Pulitzer for his lyrics, the real elite weighed in and deemed rap worthy. Not liking rap is one thing, claiming total ignorance smells of something else, though I’m not sure what of. I don’t follow celebrity gossip, and live far from the U.S. but I have at least some notion about who the Kardashians are. I have a hard time thinking the people in this thread saying that they have no clue about rap, since they avoid it, aren’t being disingenuous. > **[Dr Dre, Snoop Dogg, Eminem, Mary J Blige & Kendrick Lamar FULL Pepsi...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCkFN9jKrr0https:%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch?v=HCkFN9jKrr0)** > > Kuna Kuna: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H059rrXKX1sBlack Market 👉🏿 https://www.blackmarketrecords.com#pepsi #superbowl56 #superbowl56halftimeshow https... ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-mother-of-god-hip-hop-sucks/961208/70 "2022-03-17T15:43:43Z")
Questlove of “The Roots” and “The Tonight Show” made a [201 song hip hop playlist](https://open.spotify.com/playlist/22NWZn7SYa64Z4bl6j92il?si=1KMUMTvQTXSDiy1XanZHoA) for Keith Olbermann. I’m sure it’s 100x better than what your roommate is playing. Relevant link: > **[Why Questlove's 201-Song Playlist For Keith Olbermann Is Bigger Than Hip-Hop](https://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2017/10/18/558115295/why-questloves-201-song-playlist-for-keith-olbermann-is-bigger-than-hip-hop)** > > Or, how I became the third wheel in a weekend Twitter beef over rap, culture and politics following Eminem's Trump tirade. ---
**Author:** ![erysichthon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@erysichthon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erysichthon)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-mother-of-god-hip-hop-sucks/961208/71 "2022-03-17T16:06:06Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > I tried to keep up with it for years. Every time _Rolling Stone_ published a review of an act that was “fresh, innovative, thought-provoking”, I would listen to it, and it was always the same: > > 1. You shouldn’t provoke me, because I’m armed and very comfortable with violence. > 2. I like money. I own many expensive things. Here’s an abbreviated list. > 3. I have a lot of sex. The women are kind of an afterthought, and quite candidly, a bit of a nuisance. > 4. I am better than you. Frankly, I could best you in basically any area that you might contest. This is the funniest thing I’ve read on the Dope in ages. ---
**Author:** ![racer72](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/racer72/32/3075_2.png) [@racer72](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racer72)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-mother-of-god-hip-hop-sucks/961208/72 "2022-03-17T16:22:14Z")
As an older white guy, I agree with the OP. I do not like any form of rap or hip-hop. The whole genre does not appeal to me in any way shape or form. There are some borderline songs I do like, Epic by Faith No More or Fight For Your Right by the Beastie Boys. Both contain enough hard rock to make them listenable. I absolutely hated attending my grand daughter’s high school basketball games due to the rap that was blasted at every break in the action. In my own private hell when my time comes, would be having to choose between listening to rap or country for eternity. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-mother-of-god-hip-hop-sucks/961208/73 "2022-03-17T16:23:33Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Do you mean to say that you dislike the sort of country music that plays on FM stations owned by Clear Channel? Because that ain’t country. All I know is that 99% of the country music I’ve ever heard sounds the same. I don’t know if that’s Clear Channel or not. Charlie Daniels is the one country music star that I know of as an exception (I often say _The Devil Went Down to Georgia_ is the only country music song I like, but that’s kind of a hybrid country/rock song). If Cash is considered country, then okay, that’s another exception. Anything else I’ve heard on a country music station (new and old) sounds like garbage to my ears. It makes me cringe. I grew up hearing a lot of that because my mom was a fan, and it’s like nails on a chalkboard. Just FYI, this is going back at least to the 80s, I’m not talking about just recent country music. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-mother-of-god-hip-hop-sucks/961208/74 "2022-03-17T16:29:59Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > If Cash is considered country… “If” he’s considered country? For real? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-mother-of-god-hip-hop-sucks/961208/75 "2022-03-17T16:30:12Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Charlie Daniels is the one country music star that I know of as an exception (I often say _The Devil Went Down to Georgia_ is the only country music song I like, but that’s kind of a hybrid country/rock song). If Cash is considered country, then okay, that’s another exception. Anything else I’ve heard on a country music station (new and old) sounds like garbage to my ears. It makes me cringe. There’s a whole subgenre of country that I’m not much of a fan of–the Toby Keith style, to be specific. But Willie Nelson, and Dolly Parton, and Emmy Lou Harris, and Johnny Cash, and Robert Earl Keen, and folks like that, they’re amazing. I was in my twenties before I realized that radio country music wasn’t the only kind, and realized how good country music could be: lyrical, subtle, funny, gutwrenching, political. I mean, how many songs in other genres reference [18th century horror ballads](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH52dFF42SA)? [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/MH52dFF42SA/hqdefault.jpg "Robert Earl Keen- Christabel") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH52dFF42SA) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-mother-of-god-hip-hop-sucks/961208/76 "2022-03-17T16:35:21Z")
To bring it back to the OP: Folks saying stuff like that about country music are why I just about never make any commentary about hiphop. I don’t know much of anything about the genre, and the fact that I’m not a fan of much of what I hear just points to my own ignorance of the genre, not to any flaw in the genre itself. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-mother-of-god-hip-hop-sucks/961208/77 "2022-03-17T17:12:15Z")
Well said ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-mother-of-god-hip-hop-sucks/961208/78 "2022-03-17T18:08:12Z")
Eh, there can be definite flaws in any genre, and to say that I don’t like what’s played as “modern country” doesn’t mean that I can’t like both older stuff and related music like bluegrass. Like anything else, commercialization and being “safe” is an issue for radio play, with the classic example shown in this YouTube clip. [Sir Mashalot: Mind-Blowing SIX Song Country Mashup - YouTube](https://youtu.be/FY8SwIvxj8o) ---
**Author:** ![Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mundane_super_hero/32/6304_2.png) [@Mundane\_Super\_Hero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mundane_Super_Hero)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-mother-of-god-hip-hop-sucks/961208/79 "2022-03-17T18:41:34Z")
Seems to be the day for this one… [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/XhzpxjuwZy0/maxresdefault.jpg "House of Pain - Jump Around (Official Music Video)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhzpxjuwZy0) ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2022, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-mother-of-god-hip-hop-sucks/961208/80 "2022-03-17T18:48:15Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Conversely, although Lynyrd Skynyrd is considered rock, it sounds like country to me and I’ve never been able to stand it. (At least not _Free Bird_ or _Sweet Home Alabama_.) Perhaps if we mix it with some hip hop for you… [![](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uwIGZLjugKA/hqdefault.jpg "Kid Rock - All Summer Long [Official Music Video]") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwIGZLjugKA) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-mother-of-god-hip-hop-sucks/961208.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-mother-of-god-hip-hop-sucks/961208.md?page=5)