# Sweet Willy, a moment of your time. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 21, 2002, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-willy-a-moment-of-your-time/110156 "2002-05-21T19:41:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-willy-a-moment-of-your-time/110156/21 "2002-05-21T21:46:29Z")
I’d rather be one of the knights in satan’s service. Because I like to rock and roll all night and party every day. ---
**Author:** ![Sweet\_Willy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sweet\_Willy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sweet_Willy)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-willy-a-moment-of-your-time/110156/22 "2002-05-21T21:51:12Z")
> [@](#): > > Sweet Willy- What the holy FUCK is up with your obsession with the Jews? > > * * * > > It’s called evil, kid. The more appropriate question is what the fuck is up with Judaisms obsession with me. I did not seek them out or even give a shit until they included in thier stupid ass religious laws. It is a three thousand year old Jewish obsession dude. ---
**Author:** ![Daoloth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/82dd89/32.png) [@Daoloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daoloth)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-willy-a-moment-of-your-time/110156/23 "2002-05-21T21:55:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sweet Willy \* > \*\* > > The more appropriate question is what the fuck is up with Judaisms obsession with me. I did not seek them out or even give a shit until they included in thier stupid ass religious laws. It is a three thousand year old Jewish obsession dude. \*\* Someone’s been taking the Protocols a bit seriously lately. ---
**Author:** ![Sweet\_Willy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sweet\_Willy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sweet_Willy)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-willy-a-moment-of-your-time/110156/24 "2002-05-21T21:55:46Z")
> [@](#): > > So now we’ve gone from one person adding your name to her family tree to “a group of people” adding your name to “the list of the chosen people of God.” Tell me, exactly when did this happen? How does a family tree equal God’s List? Does God come down and notarize the dang thing or what? Why don’t you ask **Zev** or one of the other scholars around here why my ancestry puts me on Gods list? I am not the one who believes that shit. There are lots of others who believe that of me regardless of what i think. ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-willy-a-moment-of-your-time/110156/25 "2002-05-21T21:57:32Z")
i’m still confused. Someone put your name on a family tree that says you are of…gasp…jewish heritage. You don’t like it. So you rail against all judiasm. I’ve got a simpler, more satisfying conclusion. Don’t go to temple…don’t worship judiasm and be done with it. I was baptised epsicopalian. Guess what. i’m not episcopalian anymore. I didn’t notice the earth tearing in two when I decided that. ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-willy-a-moment-of-your-time/110156/26 "2002-05-21T21:58:49Z")
Or to the list of genetically homosexuals? Why would that be an insult? It wouldn’t bother me in the slightest… Sweet Willy, you’re making the kind of sense that’s not. ---
**Author:** ![Coldfire](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a587f6/32.png) [@Coldfire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Coldfire)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-willy-a-moment-of-your-time/110156/27 "2002-05-21T22:05:16Z")
Sweet Willy ought to be grateful _anyone_ is willing to put him on their family tree, from the looks of it. ---
**Author:** ![Truth\_Seeker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/5fc32e/32.png) [@Truth\_Seeker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truth_Seeker)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-willy-a-moment-of-your-time/110156/28 "2002-05-21T22:07:48Z")
I think this exchange sums up the basis for **SW** ’s concern. > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > _originally posted by Truth Seeker_\*\* > > SW > > If you had a Spanish or Italian grandparent, Spain and Italy consider you to be Spanish or Italian! > > \*\* > > _originally posted by Sweet Willy_\*\* > Yeah and in white supremacy circles if you are of dark skin color you are considered a nigger. No problem there eh? Perfectly fine for a group of people to attach a tag to you because of you ancestry.\*\* - > [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally posted by Truth Seeker\* > > \*\*Sweet Willy > > You have convinced me of the seriousness of your problem. I know how much I hate it when my friends call me names, even undeserved ones. It is truly sad to lose the respect of those whose opinions you value. > > \*\* > _originally posted by Sweet Willy_ > **Thank you for a bit of understanding. I don’t want anyone calling me names, whatever they may be, based on my ancestry. I am no more Jew than a person of color is nigger. It is offensive and the people propogating this should learn that it is.** ---
**Author:** ![Protesilaus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Protesilaus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Protesilaus)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-willy-a-moment-of-your-time/110156/29 "2002-05-21T22:57:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Sweet Willy \* > \*\* Doesn’t mean squat to me except that someone has changed my identity for me. \*\* Ohh… you’re really not going to want to hear this, then. Just this morning I had your identity changed to a bisexual Hispanic woman. Sorry about that. [sub]Oh yeah, and your wisdom teeth need to come out.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-willy-a-moment-of-your-time/110156/30 "2002-05-21T22:57:22Z")
**Genetically homosexuals** _Band Name_ (I’ve never done that before) ---
**Author:** ![Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Helen\_s\_Eidolon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Helen_s_Eidolon)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-willy-a-moment-of-your-time/110156/31 "2002-05-21T23:04:38Z")
I… I don’t know where to begin. There are, however, a few points I would like to make (although some have been made before): - Though others may consider you Jewish, you do not have to consider yourself Jewish. **It is not a redefinition of your identity unless you make it so**. - You may easily consider yourself of Jewish heritage without considering yourself Jewish. Although others might classify you differently, no one is going to insist. - Your point that Judaism is obsessed with you: No, it isn’t. If you say you’re not a Jew, trust me, no one is gonna run up and correct you, especially not with the shit you’ve been spewing on this board. - Yes, Jews have been persecuted. No, it is not a terrible horrible thing to be Jewish. As a matter of fact, it makes a lot of people happy. To others, like me, it makes fairly little difference. I don’t get persecuted, and neither will you, ok? Stop being so scared. ---
**Author:** ![Junior\_Spaceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Junior\_Spaceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Junior_Spaceman)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-willy-a-moment-of-your-time/110156/32 "2002-05-21T23:09:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Coldfire \* > \*\*Sweet Willy ought to be grateful _anyone_ is willing to put him on their family tree, from the looks of it. \*\* I’m sure we’ll soon have a flood of Pit threads from the others on that tree complaining about having been forced into the same family as SW. This is pretty cut and dried. Willy thinks that the worst thing in the world that someone could possibly be is Jewish, and therefore he’s pissed off that someone’s calling him a Jew. Big deal. If he wants to convince us that sometimes people are way too fucked up to be considered Jews, then he’s done that well, but unlike him, Jews don’t need to be affirmed by believing that everyone in their ‘group’ is perfect or good or worthwhile. We just get on with being ourselves. If you were someone else, SW, I’d tell _you_ to just be yourself, but I’m not sure that’s such a good thing for the world. ---
**Author:** ![musicguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ba0ec/32.png) [@musicguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/musicguy)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-willy-a-moment-of-your-time/110156/33 "2002-05-21T23:17:57Z")
For someone who says they don’t care about being Jewish, you sure seem to care a hell of a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Dragonblink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Dragonblink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dragonblink)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-willy-a-moment-of-your-time/110156/34 "2002-05-21T23:40:05Z")
Well, it’s not the Knights of Satan, but I did recently find out that I’m related to the owner of the [Hell-Fire Club](http://www.blather.net/archives3/issue3no1.html) in England. Pretty cool, eh? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-willy-a-moment-of-your-time/110156/35 "2002-05-21T23:55:22Z")
I’m willing to certify on a nice pretty document that can be framed for display that Willy is not a Jew. He can show it as evidence when and if the American Nazi Party shows up to collect his membership dues and/or exterminate him. I’ll even print it on an transfer, so Willy can iron it onto a t-shirt. After all, if Willy’s willing to accept Jewish authority, I see no reason he should refuse to accept _mine_. He seems like a pretty credulous fellow. Beyond that, none of this is worth discussing. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 21, 2002, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-willy-a-moment-of-your-time/110156/36 "2002-05-21T23:58:22Z")
\ _Neener neener neener! Sweet Willy’s a Jew! Sweet Willy’s a Jew! Jewy McJewboy!_ \ _Juuu-uu-uu-uuuuuu-den! Juuu-uu-uu-uuuuuu-den!_ Dude, give it up. You’re fucking pathetic. ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2002, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-willy-a-moment-of-your-time/110156/37 "2002-05-22T00:11:22Z")
and pathetic ain’t havin’ a good time ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2002, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-willy-a-moment-of-your-time/110156/38 "2002-05-22T00:16:23Z")
I was about to get upset at Sweet Willy. I truly was. But I had a change of heart. Because it’s funny, you see. It’s funny what’s happened. Sweet Willy is a Jew. He has always been a Jew and he will always be a Jew. He can’t wash it off, he can’t convert it off, he can’t even ignore it. He can never set food in a synagogue and he will be a Jew. He can eat a ham and shrimp salad and he will still be a Jew. He can eat bread that has been baked for 19 minutes on pesach and he will still be a Jew. For the rest of his life, every single day, he will know that he is a Jew. There’s nothing he can do about it. It’s almost like a twilight zone episode come to life. You can hear the screaming as they fade to black… ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2002, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-willy-a-moment-of-your-time/110156/39 "2002-05-22T02:58:43Z")
> [@](#): > > It’s almost like a twilight zone episode come to life. You can hear the screaming as they fade to black… **_NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO_OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooo!!!** ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2002, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-willy-a-moment-of-your-time/110156/40 "2002-05-22T03:38:14Z")
Oddly enough, I can almost sympathize with Sweet Willy. My dad is Jewish, my mom is a lapsed Catholic. They raised me to be an atheist/agnostic. Neither one has ever taken me to any sort of religious service, ever, excepting my grandpa’s funeral mass. However, when I grew up, I became more interested in Judaism, and studied it and began to practice it, to a certain extent (hey, I only qualify as a Reformit anyway!). I spent a year in Israel, and studied Hebrew. So it came as quite a shock - and not a pleasant one - when my aunt told me that she was sure my Catholic grandma baptized me when my parents weren’t looking. I am not a Catholic. I’ve been to Catholic services twice in my life. That someone, _anyone_, might consider me Catholic infuriated me. But guess what? I got over it! My beliefs and the cultural heritage I choose to embrace are my decisions to make. No one, not even my grandma, has that kind of power over me. In short, get a life, Sweet Willy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-willy-a-moment-of-your-time/110156.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sweet-willy-a-moment-of-your-time/110156.md?page=3)