# Swift Boat Vets Site - seems phony **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 27, 2004, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swift-boat-vets-site-seems-phony/261871 "2004-08-27T23:31:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2004, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swift-boat-vets-site-seems-phony/261871/101 "2004-08-30T05:23:08Z")
> [@grienspace](#): > > How would you feel if you found out that Sam was actually an undocumented Mexican gardener living in Montana? I knew there was something funny about him… ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2004, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swift-boat-vets-site-seems-phony/261871/102 "2004-08-30T05:27:40Z")
Don’t mess with me, gringo. ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2004, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swift-boat-vets-site-seems-phony/261871/103 "2004-08-30T05:33:26Z")
> [@grienspace](#): > > Should us Canadians just butt out of discussions regarding the next leader of the free world? Did you miss the last sentence at the bottom? (If so, Brutus has kindly enlarged it for us all.) The point is, Sam is oddly obsessed with US politics. I disagree that he (and others in the world) have “no stake” in the matter. But consider this: if one of the extreme and vocal left-wingers on this board was a Canadian (or, God-forbid, a Frenchman), what kind of shit do you think they would get? Insert lame Brutus joke here ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2004, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swift-boat-vets-site-seems-phony/261871/104 "2004-08-30T05:48:09Z")
We had a French guy. He surrendered. (Lame enough?..) ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2004, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swift-boat-vets-site-seems-phony/261871/105 "2004-08-30T05:59:54Z")
> [@leander](#): > > …But consider this: if one of the extreme and vocal left-wingers on this board was a Canadian (or, God-forbid, a Frenchman), what kind of shit do you think they would get? Ahem. Br’r **Desmo** -somethingerother is vocal and foreign. Remember ol’ **London Calling**? **Rashak Mani** is in Brazil. Isn’t **RedFury** a dread Spaniard? And so forth. Show me where the board Right has told them to stuff it. Insert lame Brutus joke here Knock knock. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2004, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swift-boat-vets-site-seems-phony/261871/106 "2004-08-30T06:02:52Z")
My point is-yes, the US elections will indeed have an impact on the world at large. But more so on the people living here. **Sam** , YOU aren’t dealing with the DIRECT results of the Bush admin’s actions. You say you have a young daughter. Well, she’s gonna grow up in a world where the Middle East is even MORE hostile to the US (and most likely, her allies), because of the actions of Bush in Iraq. She is MORE likely to be a victim of a terrorist act, because Bush is more concerned about avenging Daddy and getting Saddam than he is actually finding the people responsible for September 11. And you sit there, in CANADA, where you have guaranteed health care, while many of us in the US do not. (Myself included). Your schools aren’t being turned into a fucking joke due to No Child Left Behind. Your country’s economy isn’t being turned to shit by this fucker. He’s a fucking JOKE. I’m sick and tired of the attacks from the Right. Here in the US, to even admit to being a liberal, or a leftist, is political suicide, and I’m fucking sick of it. It’s pissing me off. It just pisses me off to see you defend Bush and the Swifties, when those of us who are dealing DIRECTLY with the consequences are the ones being obtuse. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2004, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swift-boat-vets-site-seems-phony/261871/107 "2004-08-30T06:14:23Z")
Glad to see you’re not doing the whole , “You aren’t American, so shut up!” thing. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2004, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swift-boat-vets-site-seems-phony/261871/108 "2004-08-30T06:16:43Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > **Sam** , YOU aren’t dealing with the DIRECT results of the Bush admin’s actions. Judging from you nearly _twenty thousand_ posts, I bet you post all the time about stuff that doesn’t directly affect you. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2004, 6:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swift-boat-vets-site-seems-phony/261871/109 "2004-08-30T06:18:09Z")
> [@grienspace](#): > > How would you feel if you found out that Sam was actually an undocumented Mexican gardener living in Montana? What difference does it make? His shitty arguments still stink. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2004, 6:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swift-boat-vets-site-seems-phony/261871/110 "2004-08-30T06:36:58Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > . Isn’t **RedFury** a dread Spaniard? > Insert lame Brutus joke here Well, I am not quite ‘dread’ yet, although there’s no denying that I’ve been seen better days age-wise. And yes, I am a Spaniard, and a huge Zapatero/PSOE supporter at that. But beyond that, I fell to the hypnotic charm of no less than _two_ American ladies – well, more actually, but who’s counting? Besides I managed to scape the noose on the other occassion – and as result, I have an only son, a thriving fourteen year old US-born boy residing in Fla. So, just on the off-chance that the draft might be re-instated due to the bumbling chickenhawks that have currently hijacked your country, I have a lot at stake in the upcoming election. Like hell he’ll become cannon-fodder for your Great leader and his cronies in any future madcap adventure for freedom. Of course, his being a dual US/EU citizen has its advantages. Just hoping I won’t have to plan a raid to get him out of the US if BushCo stays on. Like Danny Glover’s character in Lethal Weapon, I’m getting too old for that shit. Beyond that, basic human decency compells me to get involved. As many of you are wont to brag about, the US wields an enourmous amount of global power and influence, thus your elections are more and more becoming an almost unavoidable world referendum. And since we’ve already said “no more Bush” in no uncertain terms, I feel it is only my duty to pass along the word – for as little or much as it might be worth. As for ‘Brutus jokes’ not quite in the mood. It’s late and I am tired. But you could always re-read any one of your posts if you want a laugh. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2004, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swift-boat-vets-site-seems-phony/261871/111 "2004-08-30T06:49:14Z")
So Sam, membership in the Navy is now proof of cowardice? Everyone who joined the Navy during the Viet Nam war was a coward? Unless you want to claim that, you better drop the Navy bullshit from your continually weakening platform. ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2004, 6:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swift-boat-vets-site-seems-phony/261871/112 "2004-08-30T06:53:27Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > Glad to see you’re not doing the whole , “You aren’t American, so shut up!” thing. I don’t think you should shut up because you’re not an American. I just wish you’d stop whining about being persecuted and insulted when you’re engaged in a smear campaign. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2004, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swift-boat-vets-site-seems-phony/261871/113 "2004-08-30T07:00:56Z")
> [@Sam Stone](#): > > Glad to see you’re not doing the whole , “You aren’t American, so shut up!” thing. As opposed to the “why do you hate America so much” mantra your idols are so fond of throwing around to anyone who dares contradict them? Wish I had a nickel and all that. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2004, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swift-boat-vets-site-seems-phony/261871/114 "2004-08-30T07:08:47Z")
> [@RedFury](#): > > As opposed to the “why do you hate America so much” mantra your idols are so fond of throwing around to anyone who dares contradict them? > > Wish I had a nickel and all that. What, and no cite? If it is so commonplace, surely you can provide a cite or two? ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2004, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swift-boat-vets-site-seems-phony/261871/115 "2004-08-30T07:54:00Z")
> [@Brutus](#): > > What, and no cite? If it is so commonplace, surely you can provide a cite or two? No problem. How would a whole _a whole book_ strike you? [**Why The Left Hates America?**](http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/076156375X/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-9405006-0155810#reader-link) Ot how about this cute little quote from Ann Coulter? > [@](#): > > “Even Islamic terrorists don’t hate America like liberals do. They don’t have the energy. If they had that much energy, they’d have indoor plumbing by now.” – Ann Coulter Don’t much feel like doing any more homework for you, but I’m certain you’ll find comments such as those – and worse – are rather common place in places like Free Republic and their brethen. You must live a really sheltered life if you hadn’t heard this repugnant bit of wingnut rethoric before. Then again, since you’re clearly a lockstepping **America Lover** , I can understand how it wouldn’t have reached your virgin ears and/or eyes before. Then again, Occam’s Razor tells me you’re full of shit and you were already quite aware that such is the case. ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2004, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swift-boat-vets-site-seems-phony/261871/116 "2004-08-30T08:03:13Z")
Hmmm. [**Sam** is no fan of Ann Coulter.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5119314&postcount=89) (Unless things have changed recently.) He has made no comment regarding Mssr.Flynn, so I think it’s a bit unfair to peg him as a ‘idol’ of **Sam** ’s. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2004, 8:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swift-boat-vets-site-seems-phony/261871/117 "2004-08-30T08:06:58Z")
Ann Coulter is the evil witch of the right. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2004, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swift-boat-vets-site-seems-phony/261871/118 "2004-08-30T10:12:31Z")
> [@Sevastopol](#): > > Liberal go fuck yourself, idiot. Ah. Yet another debunking laid at my feet by the gentle hands of fact. What can I do but concede? ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2004, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swift-boat-vets-site-seems-phony/261871/119 "2004-08-30T10:30:18Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Ah. Yet another debunking laid at my feet by the gentle hands of fact. What can I do but concede? :mad: He just _told_ you what you can go do! You have options, man! ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2004, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swift-boat-vets-site-seems-phony/261871/120 "2004-08-30T11:22:23Z")
> [@Liberal](#): > > Ah. Yet another debunking laid at my feet by the gentle hands of fact. What can I do but concede? I’m sorry. You’re absolutely correct. You haven’t made any assertions to be debunked, so it is unfair to tarnish you with that brush. I take that back. You did assert that **Sam** is a beloved bastion of integrity. And I think you said that he tastes great too! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swift-boat-vets-site-seems-phony/261871.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swift-boat-vets-site-seems-phony/261871.md?page=7)