# Swiss tourist gang-raped in India

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swiss-tourist-gang-raped-in-india/653154>\
**Category:** In My Humble Opinion\
**Created:** [March 17, 2013, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swiss-tourist-gang-raped-in-india/653154 "2013-03-17T05:35:35Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\
**Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swiss-tourist-gang-raped-in-india/653154/201 "2013-03-22T23:12:02Z")

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> [@alphaboi867](#):
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> Agreed, but the idea that ordinary men will resort to rape if they’re sexually frustrated is an ancient one. In the Middle Ages it was used as justification for allowing prostitution out of fear men would to things like raping decent women or homosexuality or masturbation. The latter two being considered even worse than the former by some groups.

That was my point.

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**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\
**Post date:** [March 23, 2013, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swiss-tourist-gang-raped-in-india/653154/202 "2013-03-23T07:57:21Z")

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Speaking for myself, I wouldn’t enjoy taking money from someone who was screaming, crying, hurting and terrified either. But apparently in some parts of the world there are people who will do it willingly, especially to someone who’s not a neighbour, tribesperson or whatever.

I mean, in an ideal world I should have the guaranteed right to take my luxury sailing yacht[sup]\*[/sup] anywhere on the high seas that I see fit, and international law agrees with me to the letter, but from what I see on the news from time to time, I’d be six kinds of a fool to try it in Somali waters for a start.

[sup]\* If only. Le sigh[/sup]

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**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swiss-tourist-gang-raped-in-india/653154/203 "2013-07-20T15:04:33Z")

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[6 accused awarded life imprisonment in Madhya Pradesh](http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/swiss-woman-gang-rape-case-6-awarded-life-imprisonment-in-madhya-pradesh-394785)

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> Datiya: Six men accused of gang-raping a 39-year-old Swiss woman on March 16 this year in Datiya in Madhya Pradesh have been awarded life imprisonment by a court.
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> While four of the accused were charged with gang-rape, two others were booked for robbing and assaulting the woman and her husband.
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> The 100-page chargesheet, filed on March 26 this year, was presented to the court without conducting the test identification parade (TIP).  
> The parade could not be conducted because the victim said she would not be able to recognise the accused since the assault took place at night.
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> The Swiss national and her husband, who were on a bicycle tour across India, were camping near a forest on March 16 when a gang of armed men raped her and then assaulted and robbed the couple of their valuables.

Nice- quick conviction.  
arguably too harsh punishment.

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**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swiss-tourist-gang-raped-in-india/653154/204 "2013-07-20T15:16:09Z")

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Life imprisonment for gang rape? Not too harsh in my view.

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**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swiss-tourist-gang-raped-in-india/653154/205 "2013-07-20T15:34:29Z")

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> [@Acsenray](#):
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> Life imprisonment for gang rape? Not too harsh in my view.

her physical condition wasn’t that bad after the incident. I don’t favor life term for each n every rape case. For more severe\violent cases life imprisonment for sure. could (hesitantly) approve of even death sentence in some rape cases.

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**Author:** ![AaronX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7bcc69/32.png) [@AaronX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AaronX)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swiss-tourist-gang-raped-in-india/653154/206 "2013-07-20T16:00:10Z")

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How about the about 20 year old medical student? Any news on that? I thought that happened before this?

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**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swiss-tourist-gang-raped-in-india/653154/207 "2013-07-20T16:09:57Z")

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> [@AaronX](#):
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> How about the about 20 year old medical student? Any news on that? I thought that happened before this?

That case is also close to conclusion. 1 was 17 yr old minor, he will have to be let off. Main accused died in jail, suicide or murder we don’t know. Other accused are likely to be sentenced soon.

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**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swiss-tourist-gang-raped-in-india/653154/208 "2013-07-20T16:51:13Z")

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> [@truthSeeker2](#):
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> her physical condition wasn’t that bad after the incident.

Are you her doctor or her attorney?

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> For more severe\violent cases

Off topic: What’s with the backward slash?

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**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swiss-tourist-gang-raped-in-india/653154/209 "2013-07-20T17:32:56Z")

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> [@Acsenray](#):
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> Are you her doctor or her attorney?
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> Off topic: What’s with the backward slash?

I do not need to be any of that.  
rape wasn’t of sadistic nature. the women was [conscious, spoke to police](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-21812849)and apparently able to [stand up\walk fine after the incident.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx3n9uAadQY).  
backslash is there, hopefully you arent disturbed\annoyed by it.

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**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swiss-tourist-gang-raped-in-india/653154/210 "2013-07-20T17:39:40Z")

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[Section 376 (2) (g) IPC](http://indiankanoon.org/doc/1279834/)

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> commits gang rape, shall be punished with rigorous imprisonment for a term which shall not be less than ten years but which may be for life and shall also be liable to fine

apparently the minimum sentence is 10 yrs for gang rape.

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**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swiss-tourist-gang-raped-in-india/653154/211 "2013-07-20T17:56:20Z")

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> [@truthSeeker2](#):
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> rape wasn’t of sadistic nature.

Was it the nurturing and loving type of gang rape?

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**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swiss-tourist-gang-raped-in-india/653154/212 "2013-07-20T18:05:32Z")

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[http://ualr.edu/jlfleming/Rapepg2.htm](http://ualr.edu/jlfleming/Rapepg2.htm)  
There are far worse scenarios of rape tht happen

> [@RaftPeople](#):
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> Was it the nurturing and loving type of gang rape?

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**Author:** ![colander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e8c25b/32.png) [@colander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colander)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swiss-tourist-gang-raped-in-india/653154/213 "2013-07-20T18:20:33Z")

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> [@truthSeeker2](#):
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> I do not need to be any of that.  
> rape wasn’t of sadistic nature. the women was [conscious, spoke to police](http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-21812849)and apparently able to [stand up\walk fine after the incident.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx3n9uAadQY).  
> backslash is there, hopefully you arent disturbed\annoyed by it.

That’s ridiculously messed up.

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**Author:** ![RaftPeople](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@RaftPeople](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RaftPeople)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swiss-tourist-gang-raped-in-india/653154/214 "2013-07-20T18:26:42Z")

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> [@truthSeeker2](#):
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> [http://ualr.edu/jlfleming/Rapepg2.htm](http://ualr.edu/jlfleming/Rapepg2.htm)  
> There are far worse scenarios of rape tht happen

You’re logic appears to be that the sentence in this case should be kept lower so there is room left to use a max sentence for worse crimes.

But I don’t agree with that logic, why not give them both the max?

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**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swiss-tourist-gang-raped-in-india/653154/215 "2013-07-20T18:29:23Z")

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Because sentencing ranges are there to reflect the fact that not all crimes are equal. Does it not matter to you if they had prior criminal records, left permanent physical injuries, used a weapon, and so on?

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**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swiss-tourist-gang-raped-in-india/653154/216 "2013-07-20T19:03:06Z")

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> [@RaftPeople](#):
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> You’re logic appears to be that the sentence in this case should be kept lower so there is room left to use a max sentence for worse crimes.
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> But I don’t agree with that logic, why not give them both the max?

Then why have a range in the law? I respect the verdict but do not entirely agree with the harshness of it.

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**Author:** ![colander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e8c25b/32.png) [@colander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colander)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swiss-tourist-gang-raped-in-india/653154/217 "2013-07-20T22:20:19Z")

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> [@truthSeeker2](#):
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> Then why have a range in the law?

Oh, I don’t know. Maybe to separate petty nonviolent crimes from crimes that involve committing forcible assaults on people?

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**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swiss-tourist-gang-raped-in-india/653154/218 "2013-07-20T23:07:21Z")

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When was the last time you heard of a petty, nonviolent rape?

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**Author:** ![colander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e8c25b/32.png) [@colander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colander)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2013, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swiss-tourist-gang-raped-in-india/653154/219 "2013-07-20T23:29:08Z")

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> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#):
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> When was the last time you heard of a petty, nonviolent rape?

Gee, when you say it that way, it almost makes it sound like forcible rape should be considered a very serious criminal offense! Wacky, huh?

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**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\
**Post date:** [July 21, 2013, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swiss-tourist-gang-raped-in-india/653154/220 "2013-07-21T00:20:18Z")

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You make it sound like you don’t know what sentencing ranges are. That’s quite wacky.

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