# Swiss tourist gang-raped in India **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [March 17, 2013, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swiss-tourist-gang-raped-in-india/653154 "2013-03-17T05:35:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![AaronX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/7bcc69/32.png) [@AaronX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AaronX)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2013, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swiss-tourist-gang-raped-in-india/653154/282 "2013-09-13T16:13:12Z")
Ok I spent about 15 minutes searching for this post. Finally found it! (Re the Delhi rape/murder case, not this one) > [@truthSeeker2](#): > > That case is also close to conclusion. 1 was 17 yr old minor, he will have to be let off. Main accused died in jail, suicide or murder we don’t know. Other accused are likely to be sentenced soon. 4 men (is that all of them?) have been sentenced to death: > **[Court sentences 4 men to death in New Delhi gang rape case | CNN](https://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/13/world/asia/india-gang-rape-sentence/)** > > An Indian court on Friday sentenced four men to death for the rape and murder of a 23-year-old woman in New Delhi. So I guess the main accused got the same sentence. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2013, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swiss-tourist-gang-raped-in-india/653154/283 "2013-09-13T19:19:24Z")
> [@AaronX](#): > > 4 men (is that all of them?) have been sentenced to death: > [http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/13/world/asia/india-gang-rape-sentence/](http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/13/world/asia/india-gang-rape-sentence/). One of the adults died in custody. Apparent suicide is the official report. One juvenile was sentenced to the most that can be given at his age (the Juvenile Court would not release him to be tried as adult), three years. All four remaining sentenced to hang. ---
**Author:** ![truthSeeker2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/7cd45c/32.png) [@truthSeeker2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/truthSeeker2)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2013, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swiss-tourist-gang-raped-in-india/653154/284 "2013-09-14T01:18:02Z")
> [@AaronX](#): > > Ok I spent about 15 minutes searching for this. Finally found it! > > (Re the Delhi rape/murder case, not this one) > 4 men (is that all of them?) have been sentenced to death: > [http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/13/world/asia/india-gang-rape-sentence/](http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/13/world/asia/india-gang-rape-sentence/) > So I guess the main accused got the same sentence. That’s right, 4 is all of them. They can appeal in higher courts and after that, give mercy petition to the president. Its usually takes many years after the verdict to hang any convict. Also following news is relevant regarding effects of this case on underreporting and on bad police behavior - > [@](#): > > The number of reported cases which stands at 1,121, till August 31 this year, is more than double than last year’s figure of 468 in the same period. As per data of National Crime Record Bureau (NCRB), in 2011, the numbers of registered rape cases were 572, while 507 rape cases were reported in 2010. The figure stood at 469 in 2009. In 2008, the figure was 466, while in 2007, 2006, 2005, 2004, 2003, 2002, 2001 the figures were 598, 623, 658, 551, 490, 403 and 381 respectively. [http://m.indianexpress.com/news/delhi-records-1121-rape-cases-in-8-months-highest-in-13-yrs/1167829/](http://m.indianexpress.com/news/delhi-records-1121-rape-cases-in-8-months-highest-in-13-yrs/1167829/) ---
**Author:** ![mandala](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mandala/32/95_2.png) [@mandala](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mandala)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2013, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swiss-tourist-gang-raped-in-india/653154/285 "2013-09-14T03:36:30Z")
> [@StJoan](#): > > And I’ll have you admit that you are nothing but yet another flag-waving Indian, desperate to recover their national pride after their nation’s soft, ugly, underbelly has been exposed and throughy trashed by the international media. Anyway, why are you so desperate to sympathise with a people who would treat you as a less-than- 2nd class citizen because of your gender? > > My unapologetically pointed comment was aimed towards Indians (specifically, Hindus and their derivative communities) as a whole, but your extraordinarily defensive tone througout this thread clearly suggests that you would rather see the female gender debased than your national pride rapped. Methinks you need a stronger sense of self esteem, and a sense of identity divorced from both national pride and social conditioning. But hey, what do I know, eh? I am just another “pale face” who has spent too much time amongst the “brown savages” (your word, not mine!), and am just “bitter” (yeah, right!). > > Oh, I _do_ beg your pardon. I should have been quite delighted that a large number of Indian men were so enarmoured of my female charms that, at the very sight of me, they resorted to whistles, lewd songs and personal remarks whithin my earshot, is it? The umpteen attempts at butt pinching, breast groping, and, once, a full out attempt to disrobe me while walking on an (albiet isolated) street were all expressions of unbridled admiration of my pulchritude, is that so? :rolleyes: Well, you know what? _Some_ of us are quite confident of our attractiveness, and don’t need lewd reminders of it at every cornor. The sooner you get the idea, the better it will be for every one. > > No, I meant genocide. Unless the Indian goverment has some secret plan to enforce gender change operations on some of the surplus boys, female foeticide _is_ female genocide. > > Then why did the swiss tourist get justice faster than the thousands of Indian women who have registered rape cases with Indian courts over the last 3-4 decades? Why should the Delhi rape victim’s case be fast tracked but not the others? Of course you care for your reputation. You are desperate to reclaim the notion that you are as good as you looked on paper. Btw, where is “here”? > > In other words, the only problems you are willing to sypathise with are those that effect you in some measure or another. Very human, I must say. But not particularly progressive. Guess I should not expect anything more from someone who is part of the ugly Indian system. Yep, the white man’s media has criticized India and so Indians are out to recover their national pride as nothing is more damaging than attractive white-skinned women complaining about our character. :rolleyes: Your comments were directed towards “specifically, Hindus and their derivative communities”? For what reason? Hindus and their “derivative communities” (whatever that means) are particularly rapey towards attractive Swedish women? Or is your outrage fueled by the random NYT reports of female foeticide? Or does the “less-than-2nd-class citizen” status of Indian women bother you, because your own society is the paragon of virtue in matters concerning womens’ rights? Hindus are rapey, just as Christians are bigoted, and Muslims violent. Your entire post reeks of racism, the kind we in India are dished out constantly from predominantly white-and-Christian governments trying to introduce us heathen pagans to the light of Christianity. We discount it, ridicule it and reject it. I have lived for many years in India and moved around with female companions at all times of the day and night. There are good places and there are bad places to be - for women and men. Where I live, women and young girls walk fearlessly at all times of the day and night, no one ever bothered them. There are places that shut down at sundown and aren’t safe for anybody - particularly women - to go out after. (Parts of Delhi are notorious for murder, rape and banditry.) India is not a particularly violent or unsafe place. Parts of India are, just as parts of the US are. Chambal valley is a place I would shudder to set foot in, at any time of the day or night, whether I am male or female, human or animal. It is _notorious_. (There was a time when trains were allowed to run at their maximum speed in that area, because dacoits would chase trains on horseback.) The tourists who went there - on bicycles! - clearly did not do their homework. It is not their fault - but if you are in a foreign country, you better be extremely prepared before striking out on your own. Female foeticide is a general problem in society that has been blown up to epic proportions by Western media, fueled in part by a racist agenda and in part by the Christian right-wing. There is another bogey that is now thoroughly discounted - the AIDS epidemic. It was as if all of India would have acquired the virus, were it not for the compassionate Western/Christian system that intervened to save Indian society. You can believe such bullshit if you want, but we do not. Your experience on Indian streets, if true, is unfortunate. I guess that gives you a right to question the morals of the “Hindus and their derivative communities”. But consider this. A female friend of mine was groped, subject to racial slurs, and stolen from on an isolated Seattle-area bus stop. The perpetrators were apparently Christian. Christians and their derivative communities, get your act together, please. ---
**Author:** ![bldysabba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@bldysabba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bldysabba)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2013, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swiss-tourist-gang-raped-in-india/653154/286 "2013-09-15T01:32:12Z")
> [@mandala](#): > > Yep, > \ I dunno dude. While St. Joan’s hyperventilating is clearly off kilter, and more than a few of the posts in this thread have reeked of “Tsk Tsk, look at them, they’re such terrible woman molesters, while we’re so much better”, I cannot agree with you on quite a few points. I think you’re right that India is not particularly more ‘rapey’, at least not much more than most other places. But there is no denying that there are big, real issues to be faced. It doesn’t give anyone else the right to gloat of course, but we can’t handwave away the fact that significant correctives are required in our society regarding the status of women. What others must remember is that the same sort of reform is not very old in western countries, it took a very long time(and a world war) to get to the stage it has, and is not yet complete. At the same time, we Indians must remember that there IS significant reform needed at a deep, societal level in how much we value our women, and not everyone who says so is a christian propagandist. We do need all our female babies to be born. We do need all our girls to be better educated. We do need all our women to live free of invasive stares and assumptions of superiority by men. Of course, my contention is also that many of these issues are being addressed\*, and it will take time for them to be ‘solved’, but if we just happily say that none of these problems exist or are made up or unimportant (as you seem to be doing), then it will take longer than it should. \*(I’ve posted various statistics in support of this contention earlier in the thread, for doubters) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/swiss-tourist-gang-raped-in-india/653154.md?page=14)