# Sydney, Australia "Terror" Attack **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [December 15, 2014, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sydney-australia-terror-attack/707247 "2014-12-15T00:09:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sydney-australia-terror-attack/707247/41 "2014-12-15T14:53:30Z")
> [@Girl\_From\_Mars](#): > > I’m all teary because of [this](http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2014/12/illridewithyou-sydney-stands-up-to-racism-with-one-beautiful-hashtag/), but in a good way. I’m in Melbourne and don’t commute, but I hope it does some good to keep us all civil with each other. #IllRideWithYou In London on the July 7th Bombings lots of people were offering their homes to people who couldn’t get home. We had a few people here, after I spent a couple of hours walking home, partly assisted by the free ferry supplied by a hotel (Hilton?). The regular ferries had had to close because the tube and buses had already been hit so the public ferries were too. ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sydney-australia-terror-attack/707247/42 "2014-12-15T15:05:14Z")
Fox news is reporting that this guys is an “Iranian murder and sex assault suspect known for sending hate mail to the families of Australian soldiers killed overseas, police confirmed.” Sounds like a real prize. My vote, assuming they take him alive, is to ship his ass back to Tehran on the next flight out. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sydney-australia-terror-attack/707247/43 "2014-12-15T15:25:32Z")
I so hope this ends without violence. NinjaChick, I’m so glad you didn’t go for that chocolate. What a terrible situation. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sydney-australia-terror-attack/707247/44 "2014-12-15T15:27:08Z")
Cops are storming the cafe. Breaking News, no link yet Its being reported live on the international ABC feed. ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sydney-australia-terror-attack/707247/45 "2014-12-15T15:30:28Z")
Praying for a good ending… ---
**Author:** ![JoseB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/joseb/32/1530_2.png) [@JoseB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoseB)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sydney-australia-terror-attack/707247/46 "2014-12-15T15:42:42Z")
> [@Diceman](#): > > Fox news is reporting that this guys is an “Iranian murder and sex assault suspect known for sending hate mail to the families of Australian soldiers killed overseas, police confirmed.” > > Sounds like a real prize. My vote, assuming they take him alive, is to ship his ass back to Tehran on the next flight out. I have read that he has been living in Australia since 1996, and that he had to leave Iran because, being some kind of religious authority, his interpretation of the religion clashed with the one favored by the Iranian rulers. From Wikipedia: “Haron was born Manteghi Bourjerdi in Iran where, as an ayatollah, his liberal interpretation of Islam led to the detention of his wife and children. Bourjerdi fled Iran to Australia in 1996 as a refugee, and changed his name to Man Haron Monis, assuming the title of Sheikh Haron.” If this is the case (that he was Manteghi Bourjerdi in Iran), there is additional corroboration for his having been forced to flee Iran in 1996 in [this article from January 21, 2001.](http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/religionreport/new-cardinals-for-rome-george-bush-muslims-in/3478556) This sounds to me like somebody who has gone “round the bend” in the last few years. In my opinion he is more mentally ill than a terrorist. Of course, this will be for the authorities and the medical experts to decide. Reading the website of ABC news, they say that he has relayed a request to speak directly with the Australian Prime Minister, and it seems that it is confirmed that he is Manteghi Bourjerdi. Here: [http://abcnews.go.com/International/sydney-hostage-taker-identified-man-haron-monis/story?id=27607179](http://abcnews.go.com/International/sydney-hostage-taker-identified-man-haron-monis/story?id=27607179) ---
**Author:** ![yojimbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yojimbo/32/232_2.png) [@yojimbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yojimbo)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sydney-australia-terror-attack/707247/47 "2014-12-15T15:51:33Z")
Just watched the video of them breaching. A few explosions (flashbangs??) an LOTS of semi automatic gunfire. The cops have just confirmed it’s over but casualties and the state of the guy is as yet unknown but I’m assuming the waste of skin is dead because of the gunfire. Hopefully some innocents didn’t get hit as well. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sydney-australia-terror-attack/707247/48 "2014-12-15T16:02:16Z")
It’s interesting that [CNN is reporting](http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/15/world/asia/australia-sydney-hostage-situation/index.html?hpt=hp_t1) that ABC (Australia) has reported that there are two dead and three seriously injured after the police siege. But I’ve been watching a live feed from ABC for awhile and I haven’t heard them report anything about any deaths. Wonder what’s up with that? ---
**Author:** ![madrabbitwoman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c37758/32.png) [@madrabbitwoman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madrabbitwoman)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sydney-australia-terror-attack/707247/49 "2014-12-15T16:11:31Z")
Fuck fuck fuck. I have heard talk about 2 dead 3 injured but have not had any confirmation ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sydney-australia-terror-attack/707247/50 "2014-12-15T16:14:09Z")
> [@madrabbitwoman](#): > > Fuck fuck fuck. I have heard talk about 2 dead 3 injured but have not had any confirmation Is this rumor just some sort of over-anxious US media echo chamber? ABC News _JUST SAID_ that there are _rumors_ that two have been shot but that they have been very careful not to report that as a fact. And they didn’t even mention a rumor of two being dead. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sydney-australia-terror-attack/707247/51 "2014-12-15T16:36:57Z")
> [@JoseB](#): > > I have read that he has been living in Australia since 1996, and that he had to leave Iran because, being some kind of religious authority, his interpretation of the religion clashed with the one favored by the Iranian rulers. > > From Wikipedia: > > “Haron was born Manteghi Bourjerdi in Iran where, as an ayatollah, his liberal interpretation of Islam led to the detention of his wife and children. Bourjerdi fled Iran to Australia in 1996 as a refugee, and changed his name to Man Haron Monis, assuming the title of Sheikh Haron.” > > If this is the case (that he was Manteghi Bourjerdi in Iran), there is additional corroboration for his having been forced to flee Iran in 1996 in [this article from January 21, 2001.](http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/religionreport/new-cardinals-for-rome-george-bush-muslims-in/3478556) > > This sounds to me like somebody who has gone “round the bend” in the last few years. In my opinion he is more mentally ill than a terrorist. Of course, this will be for the authorities and the medical experts to decide. > > Reading the website of ABC news, they say that he has relayed a request to speak directly with the Australian Prime Minister, and it seems that it is confirmed that he is Manteghi Bourjerdi. Here: [http://abcnews.go.com/International/sydney-hostage-taker-identified-man-haron-monis/story?id=27607179](http://abcnews.go.com/International/sydney-hostage-taker-identified-man-haron-monis/story?id=27607179) I noticed he has a website that Wikipedia links to. Out of curiosity, I clicked on the link and found the account suspended. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sydney-australia-terror-attack/707247/52 "2014-12-15T16:51:01Z")
A Sydney news site is reporting two dead, including the bad guy. I hope only he died and this is wrong. ---
**Author:** ![madrabbitwoman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c37758/32.png) [@madrabbitwoman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madrabbitwoman)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sydney-australia-terror-attack/707247/53 "2014-12-15T16:53:12Z")
> [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](#): > > Is this rumor just some sort of over-anxious US media echo chamber? > > ABC News _JUST SAID_ that there are _rumors_ that two have been shot but that they have been very careful not to report that as a fact. And they didn’t even mention a rumor of two being dead. NSW police have not said anything regarding casualties. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sydney-australia-terror-attack/707247/54 "2014-12-15T16:54:42Z")
BBC is only reporting “several injured.” ---
**Author:** ![madrabbitwoman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c37758/32.png) [@madrabbitwoman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madrabbitwoman)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sydney-australia-terror-attack/707247/55 "2014-12-15T17:00:33Z")
> **[Gunman and two hostages dead after police storm Lindt cafe to end siege](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-16/sydney-siege-gunman-two-hostages-dead/5969162?future=true&)** > > The cafe manager killed in the dramatic final moments of a siege in Sydney was shot while trying to grab the gunman's weapon, sources say. > [@](#): > > Paramedic crews who had been stationed at the scene throughout the day were seen carrying people out of the building on stretchers, and onlookers said one patient was being resuscitated ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sydney-australia-terror-attack/707247/56 "2014-12-15T17:04:42Z")
Holy FUCK that was a lot of shots fired! [The AP is reporting people injured but mention no deaths. > [@](#): > > A female hostage was shot in the leg, a hospital official said, and earlier at least two people were wheeled out of the cafe on stretchers. A weeping woman was helped out by police. > > The standoff ended when a loud bang was heard from the Lindt Chocolat Cafe and five people ran out. Then police swooped into the building, and there was a flurry of loud bangs. ]([http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS\_AUSTRALIA\_POLICE\_OPERATION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-12-15-11-21-15](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_AUSTRALIA_POLICE_OPERATION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2014-12-15-11-21-15)) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sydney-australia-terror-attack/707247/57 "2014-12-15T17:26:41Z")
I don’t understand why they aren’t reporting the condition of the hostages. They certainly know over an hour after storming the cafe. Were they attacked during the stand off? or what? Glad it’s over and pray the hostages aren’t seriously hurt. > [@](#): > > Cops confirmed “the operation is over,” but would not give any more details about the fate of the hostages. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sydney-australia-terror-attack/707247/58 "2014-12-15T17:32:30Z")
All I could think when watching them storm the Cafe was “holy fuck that’s a lot of shots fired”; I have a hard time even thinking that hostages weren’t hit by some of that. ---
**Author:** ![GrumpyBunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bc8723/32.png) [@GrumpyBunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrumpyBunny)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sydney-australia-terror-attack/707247/59 "2014-12-15T17:49:48Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > All I could think when watching them storm the Cafe was “holy fuck that’s a lot of shots fired”; I have a hard time even thinking that hostages weren’t hit by some of that. I read a statistic recently that said that highly-trained tactical shooters hit their target 19% of the time when under high stress, which may explain all of the shooting. I also hope that no one was seriously injured or killed by the shots; American media currently says 2 dead, including the hostage-taker. ---
**Author:** ![madrabbitwoman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c37758/32.png) [@madrabbitwoman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madrabbitwoman)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2014, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sydney-australia-terror-attack/707247/60 "2014-12-15T17:59:10Z")
> **[Grief as hundreds lay floral tributes to Sydney siege victims](https://www.9news.com.au/national/major-police-operation-in-sydneys-martin-place/7a71c242-d5f6-4997-a3b2-f0c186211353)** > > Two people are dead after a hostage situation in Sydney which began yesterday morning ended in a hail of gu... > [@](#): > > Two people are confirmed dead, including gunman Man Monis, and a third is reported dead after a hostage situation in Sydney ended in a hail of gunfire.The self-styled Muslim cleric, who took the group of people hostage yesterday morning, was confirmed dead early today, along with another person, believed to be a hostage.A third person was believed to have died from a heart attack later in hospital [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sydney-australia-terror-attack/707247.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sydney-australia-terror-attack/707247.md?page=4)