# Synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh, 2018 October 27 **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 27, 2018, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/synagogue-shooting-in-pittsburgh-2018-october-27/823600 "2018-10-27T19:57:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![orcenio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/orcenio/32/1036_2.png) [@orcenio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/orcenio)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2018, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/synagogue-shooting-in-pittsburgh-2018-october-27/823600/61 "2018-10-28T11:58:41Z")
Congrats to this new extremist shooter for kicking the last extremist shooter (“whites don’t shoot whites”) AND the letter-bomber from the headlines. My American brothers, help out a Canadian, eh? Why is the paranoid, conspiracy spewing, right-wing in America given a pass for propagating their inflammatory delusions on minorities? I’ll never understand the level of public discourse in America. Everything just seems so crazy. Why do you have so many guns? How is legislating this problem so taboo? I just don’t understand it all. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2018, 12:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/synagogue-shooting-in-pittsburgh-2018-october-27/823600/62 "2018-10-28T12:37:20Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > That’s just a pretext: it’s because she’s different. It applies to race. It applies to sex. It applies to skin colour. It applies to politics. It applies to sexuality. It applies to intellect. And so on. If you’re different, there’ll be a group of people who hate you. I’ll pass this on to my daughter. I’m sure it will make her feel much better, not at all afraid of the world around her. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2018, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/synagogue-shooting-in-pittsburgh-2018-october-27/823600/63 "2018-10-28T12:49:46Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > Congrats to this new extremist shooter for kicking the last extremist shooter (“whites don’t shoot whites”) AND the letter-bomber from the headlines. My American brothers, help out a Canadian, eh? > > Why is the paranoid, conspiracy spewing, right-wing in America given a pass for propagating their inflammatory delusions on minorities? I’ll never understand the level of public discourse in America. Everything just seems so crazy. Why do you have so many guns? How is legislating this problem so taboo? I just don’t understand it all. I’m an American and don’t understand it at all either. ---
**Author:** ![JB99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@JB99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JB99)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2018, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/synagogue-shooting-in-pittsburgh-2018-october-27/823600/64 "2018-10-28T13:19:16Z")
> [@FinsToTheLeft](#): > > I’ll pass this on to my daughter. I’m sure it will make her feel much better, not at all afraid of the world around her. It’s the truth. It has nothing to do with any rational criteria or cause that you or I or anyone else can understand. What you do with that information is up to you. ---
**Author:** ![JB99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/439d5e/32.png) [@JB99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JB99)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2018, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/synagogue-shooting-in-pittsburgh-2018-october-27/823600/65 "2018-10-28T13:30:37Z")
> [@orcenio](#): > > Why is the paranoid, conspiracy spewing, right-wing in America given a pass for propagating their inflammatory delusions on minorities? I’ll never understand the level of public discourse in America. Everything just seems so crazy. Why do you have so many guns? How is legislating this problem so taboo? I just don’t understand it all. Because the people who spew the conspiracy theories are in power. That’s the whole thing. They have a huge presence in media, with radio, books, and television that consistently tell them that they are under attack and Democrats are the enemy. They live in regions that are overwhelmingly “Red,” where they vote for officials who have the same values (or rather, the lack thereof.) Every single facet of America’s government is currently dominated by these people, because their repulsive rhetoric wins elections. You can’t legislate this problem away because the people who make the laws are the ones causing the problem. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2018, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/synagogue-shooting-in-pittsburgh-2018-october-27/823600/66 "2018-10-28T13:31:46Z")
Okay NFL, nice attempt to recognize the Pittsburgh shooting, but pairing it with the helicopter crash that killed the Leicester City owner is rather tone deaf. And it’s still better and more honestly meant than anything Trump has or will say or do. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2018, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/synagogue-shooting-in-pittsburgh-2018-october-27/823600/67 "2018-10-28T14:01:20Z")
> [@Quartz](#): > > The guy seems like a serious nutjob. No he doesn’t. He sounds like every other virulent racist in this country. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2018, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/synagogue-shooting-in-pittsburgh-2018-october-27/823600/68 "2018-10-28T14:40:34Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > It does, but more than that, I don’t think y’all understand the depth of commitment that a lot of people are going to display here. They think they’re about to get ‘wiped out’, ‘taken over’, ‘overrun’… they think this is imminent. And they _know_ that they’re _right_: they are God’s chosen people. > > When you see a group of 30 people beating up on 2 or 3 others, what are you prepared to do?\* I think people should stat asking themselves questions like this now, before it happens. > > Look, I’m not quite as vocal about it all as **asahi** , but I’ve said before: I don’t think he’s wrong. > > \*ETA: Royal you, not you, **Nava** ; you’re cool. Maybe I’ve just been watching too much uplifting Anime of late, but I am of the belief that you are more powerful when you fight for others than when you fight only for yourself. If you fight only for yourself, you have no friends or allies. Any alliance made is temporary and transactional in nature on all sides. Even those of your group face increasingly exclusive purity tests, and so betrayal is more common than loyalty. When you fight for others, you naturally gain friends, and acquire allies that have been declared enemies or betrayed by the inclusive group. Good doesn’t win because it is inherently better, but only because the evil side tends to stab itself in the back. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2018, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/synagogue-shooting-in-pittsburgh-2018-october-27/823600/69 "2018-10-28T16:08:59Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > Maybe I’ve just been watching too much uplifting Anime of late, but I am of the belief that you are more powerful when you fight for others than when you fight only for yourself. > > If you fight only for yourself, you have no friends or allies. Any alliance made is temporary and transactional in nature on all sides. Even those of your group face increasingly exclusive purity tests, and so betrayal is more common than loyalty. > > When you fight for others, you naturally gain friends, and acquire allies that have been declared enemies or betrayed by the inclusive group. > > Good doesn’t win because it is inherently better, but only because the evil side tends to stab itself in the back. I’m not sure if you think this post rebuts or confirms what I wrote (and which you were presumably replying to). ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2018, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/synagogue-shooting-in-pittsburgh-2018-october-27/823600/70 "2018-10-28T17:44:27Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > I’m not sure if you think this post rebuts or confirms what I wrote (and which you were presumably replying to). It’s meant to give some level of optimism that good will win out in the end. I could be wrong, but that would suck. I am in agreement that we are facing tough times, and may be facing some tough decisions in our personal lives. If we do come across a mob harassing or assaulting a minority, what _should_ we do? In a normal world, I would call the police and document the crimes. Are we far enough from a normal world that that is no longer sufficient, whether it is because the police are already over stretched, or a real concern that they may take the mob’s side? Do we need to wade into the mob personally? Should we be armed with more than voice and wit? Should we be willing to inflict injury or even death, and risk the same to ourselves? Do we need to start forming mobs of our own, to patrol and combat the mobs that are targeting the weak? I’ve been seriously considering joining the ranks of the gun owners, specifically for that sort of situation. If I, a 40 year old out of shape guy comes up on a bunch of violent teens and 20 somethings, it’s not what I am prepared to do, it’s what I am physically capable of doing. If I just waded in, I’d end up no better then their targets. I have been thinking that it wouldn’t be a bad idea to be prepared to be more effective than that, but that’s a step that acknowledges that I no longer trust our society to not fall into lawless anarchy, and I don’t know if I am quite ready to believe that just yet. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2018, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/synagogue-shooting-in-pittsburgh-2018-october-27/823600/71 "2018-10-28T18:24:38Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > It’s meant to give some level of optimism that good will win out in the end. I could be wrong, but that would suck. > > I am in agreement that we are facing tough times, and may be facing some tough decisions in our personal lives. If we do come across a mob harassing or assaulting a minority, what _should_ we do? In a normal world, I would call the police and document the crimes. Are we far enough from a normal world that that is no longer sufficient, whether it is because the police are already over stretched, or a real concern that they may take the mob’s side? > > Do we need to wade into the mob personally? Should we be armed with more than voice and wit? Should we be willing to inflict injury or even death, and risk the same to ourselves? Do we need to start forming mobs of our own, to patrol and combat the mobs that are targeting the weak? > > I’ve been seriously considering joining the ranks of the gun owners, specifically for that sort of situation. If I, a 40 year old out of shape guy comes up on a bunch of violent teens and 20 somethings, it’s not what I am prepared to do, it’s what I am physically capable of doing. If I just waded in, I’d end up no better then their targets. I have been thinking that it wouldn’t be a bad idea to be prepared to be more effective than that, but that’s a step that acknowledges that I no longer trust our society to not fall into lawless anarchy, and I don’t know if I am quite ready to believe that just yet. I’m glad you’re thinking about it. “Prepare for the worst; hope for the best” & “you can’t cut the rope _longer_” are good maxims IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2018, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/synagogue-shooting-in-pittsburgh-2018-october-27/823600/72 "2018-10-28T18:26:01Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > You should care. You should if you think you can fight them without understanding them, because you won’t win that way. Know your enemy… Be prepared. Good so far. > [@](#): > > They’re going to be fighting just as hard as you, harder maybe. Know your enemy, so: no. They won’t be fighting just as hard. Because there are more of us than there are of them. And frankly they are mostly sad sacks. [Noah Smith, April 2017](http://noahpinionblog.blogspot.com/2017/04/the-siren-song-of-homogeneity.html): So it’s certainly possible that the alt-right - even defined very generally, including the more moderate “alt-light” and the quietly sympathetic “alt-white” - is a shrinking, dying idea that is only becoming louder and more aggressive because it’s under threat. , though he also says immediately afterwards, But I think that whether or not the alt-right is really a growing, burgeoning movement, it makes sense to take it and its ideas seriously. First, the presence of Trump in the White House will probably force much of the country to listen to what the alt-right has to say. Even though he isn’t really their man, he has hired several people who at least loosely sympathize with the movement’s ideas - Bannon, Miller, Anton and Gorka among them. That means that at least as long as Trump’s butt is planted in a chair in the Oval Office, alt-right ideas have at least a chance of making it into government policy. That means the alt-right, and their ideas, matter. … And I think that there are a decent of young (mostly) men out there whose intellectual lives will be defined by this stuff - who will spend their 20s and 30s entranced by the idea of a homogeneous white society. Just as there are old hippies who still look at the world through the lens of the 1960s anti-war movement, in a few decades there will be some aging white Millennial men for whom Pepe the Frog and r/thedonald and Kekistan and the Great Meme War were the climax of their youthful energy and imagination. I want to engage with those people, even if (as I predict) they ultimately lose. That’s off topic, but I need to add it for completeness. Since April 2017, Charlottesville happened which has put the alt-right into a state of crisis. On the streets, alt-righters are complaining that counter-demos aren’t fun anymore. The alt-right is on the run and if the Dems win solid majorities in the House (which is by no means certain) then they will remain so. But we have our work cut out for us. We have a fight on our hands. [https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1056217128209125377](https://twitter.com/shaunking/status/1056217128209125377) > [@orcenio](#): > > Congrats to this new extremist shooter for kicking the last extremist shooter (“whites don’t shoot whites”) AND the letter-bomber from the headlines. My American brothers, help out a Canadian, eh? > > Why is the paranoid, conspiracy spewing, right-wing in America given a pass for propagating their inflammatory delusions on minorities? I’ll never understand the level of public discourse in America. Everything just seems so crazy. Why do you have so many guns? How is legislating this problem so taboo? I just don’t understand it all. That’s a load of questions. We have so many guns because they are legal and we had a crime wave that peaked during the early 1990s. The crime wave was driven by lax gun control and high levels of lead within young cohorts, leading them to violence as a group. Gun enthusiasts were swing voters up to around 2008, which made them more politically powerful than groups that would reliably vote one way or another. Since 2008, the NRA has aligned themselves more with right wing politics. US politics always had a [paranoid streak](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Paranoid_Style_in_American_Politics). The difference is that before around 1988 it was fringy. Talk radio and later Fox News mainstreamed such conspiracy theorizing. Fox News consistently screws up its facts and indeed exists in large part to shield its viewers from certain facts. This state of affairs reflects the poor character of their audience. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2018, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/synagogue-shooting-in-pittsburgh-2018-october-27/823600/73 "2018-10-28T18:37:22Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > It’s meant to give some level of optimism that good will win out in the end. I could be wrong, but that would suck. > > I am in agreement that we are facing tough times, and may be facing some tough decisions in our personal lives. If we do come across a mob harassing or assaulting a minority, what _should_ we do? In a normal world, I would call the police and document the crimes. Are we far enough from a normal world that that is no longer sufficient, whether it is because the police are already over stretched, or a real concern that they may take the mob’s side? > > Do we need to wade into the mob personally? Should we be armed with more than voice and wit? Should we be willing to inflict injury or even death, and risk the same to ourselves? Do we need to start forming mobs of our own, to patrol and combat the mobs that are targeting the weak? > > I’ve been seriously considering joining the ranks of the gun owners, specifically for that sort of situation. If I, a 40 year old out of shape guy comes up on a bunch of violent teens and 20 somethings, it’s not what I am prepared to do, it’s what I am physically capable of doing. If I just waded in, I’d end up no better then their targets. I have been thinking that it wouldn’t be a bad idea to be prepared to be more effective than that, but that’s a step that acknowledges that I no longer trust our society to not fall into lawless anarchy, and I don’t know if I am quite ready to believe that just yet. I’m glad you’re thinking about it. “Prepare for the worst; hope for the best” & “you can’t cut the rope _longer_” are good maxims IMO. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2018, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/synagogue-shooting-in-pittsburgh-2018-october-27/823600/74 "2018-10-28T18:58:20Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > I am in agreement that we are facing tough times, and may be facing some tough decisions in our personal lives. If we do come across a mob harassing or assaulting a minority, what _should_ we do? In a normal world, I would call the police and document the crimes. Are we far enough from a normal world that that is no longer sufficient, whether it is because the police are already over stretched, or a real concern that they may take the mob’s side? If you document the situation on your phone, you can always post the situation on social media. So I’d say calling the cops is a good idea if you view a crime. Which it may not be. > [@](#): > > Do we need to wade into the mob personally? No. Not without training. And the training will tell you: no. Cops call for backup. > [@](#): > > Should we be armed with more than voice and wit? Should we be willing to inflict injury or even death, and risk the same to ourselves? Do we need to start forming mobs of our own, to patrol and combat the mobs that are targeting the weak? The optics of forming mobs on your own are terrible. We do have mobs: they are called the alt-left and they are showcased on Fox News. Nonviolent means (i.e. calling 911 with your cell phone, de-escalation with voice) are maximally effective in most cases. Not all of course. > [@](#): > > I’ve been seriously considering joining the ranks of the gun owners, specifically for that sort of situation. If I, a 40 year old out of shape guy comes up on a bunch of violent teens and 20 somethings, it’s not what I am prepared to do, it’s what I am physically capable of doing. If I just waded in, I’d end up no better then their targets. Wading in is a bad idea, and could get you arrested besides. If you have time on your hands, you might consider taking a course in self defense. And joining an appropriate martial arts studio - for exercise. Maybe that would just be cardio kick boxing. It’s likely that for SWMs heart disease is a greater threat than violence after all. We are far from lawless anarchy. If you can find a gun self defense course that teaches knee strikes, elbow strikes, cell phone usage, role plays self defense situations, and presents the scientifically documented risks of firearm ownership, then you might consider buying a gun. Also, post your experience on this message board: I’d be interested if an honest presentation of firearm safety exists in the US. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2018, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/synagogue-shooting-in-pittsburgh-2018-october-27/823600/75 "2018-10-28T19:41:08Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > If you document the situation on your phone, you can always post the situation on social media. So I’d say calling the cops is a good idea if you view a crime. Which it may not be. No. Not without training. And the training will tell you: no. Cops call for backup. The optics of forming mobs on your own are terrible. We do have mobs: they are called the alt-left and they are showcased on Fox News. Sometimes having mobs is useful, so the others don’t think that they are the only ones that have them. Non-violent mobs are preferable, of course. Some time back, we had some pretty serious bigots put together a protest at the local mosque. Antifa showed up. [You can guess what happened next.](https://www.journal-news.com/news/local/protesters-square-off-islamic-center-butler-county/WKfI9UEjeCVBiHNUmP1ncO/) > [@](#): > > Both sides carried signs, shouted at one another and occasionally tried to block the opposition’s movement around the 8092 Plantation Drive entrance to the Islamic center. > > Local police officers closely controlled the demonstrators and issued a few warnings but there were no arrests. > > … > > Despite the acrimony directed toward the center, Malik pointed to a table of bottled water and snacks officials had positioned at the main entrance with a sign inviting everyone – regardless of their beliefs – to partake. > [@](#): > > Nonviolent means (i.e. calling 911 with your cell phone, de-escalation with voice) are maximally effective in most cases. Not all of course. Wading in is a bad idea, and could get you arrested besides. If you have time on your hands, you might consider taking a course in self defense. And joining an appropriate martial arts studio - for exercise. Maybe that would just be cardio kick boxing. It’s likely that for SWMs heart disease is a greater threat than violence after all. I agree that those are all the normal courses of action. I am just concerned that we are far enough from normal that those courses of action may no longer be the best courses of action. If there is a mob beating on a few people, they may sustain serious injury or even be killed before the cops respond. And this is assuming a level of normalcy that the cops will respond, and that they will not take the mob’s side. Best I can think of right now would be to announce that they are being live streamed and the cops have been called. Hopefully that will cause dispersion, and the livestreaming should “protect” me as well. BTW: SWM? Single White Male, or Scared White Male? I’ll cop to _one_ of those. > [@](#): > > We are far from lawless anarchy. Yes, but to quote the only good line from _Welcome to Sarajevo_, “And are we moving up or down that scale?” You don’t notice that you are in a lawless anarchy until you see a mob beating up on a minority, and the cops decide that they don’t want to help. > [@](#): > > If you can find a gun self defense course that teaches knee strikes, elbow strikes, cell phone usage, role plays self defense situations, and presents the scientifically documented risks of firearm ownership, then you might consider buying a gun. Also, post your experience on this message board: I’d be interested if an honest presentation of firearm safety exists in the US. I have never bought anything without an intent to use it for its intended purpose. This is why I have never bought a gun. I’ve “played” with the guns of friends and acquaintances, and have actually turned out to be a reasonably decent shot, but target practice is not the intended use of a gun. But buying a gun means that I have an intention to use it to kill someone else, and that’s not a step I am comfortable taking yet. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2018, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/synagogue-shooting-in-pittsburgh-2018-october-27/823600/76 "2018-10-28T20:28:21Z")
I just received an email from my rabbi and one of the women killed was a member of our synagogue for many years before moving to Pittsburgh. I didn’t know her, but it still hits close to home. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2018, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/synagogue-shooting-in-pittsburgh-2018-october-27/823600/77 "2018-10-28T21:56:25Z")
One Gab poster with the lovely name of DieJewDie said, “If Gab is shut down, I’m going to buy an oven.” ---
**Author:** ![HelenTroy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/helentroy/32/86_2.png) [@HelenTroy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenTroy)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2018, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/synagogue-shooting-in-pittsburgh-2018-october-27/823600/78 "2018-10-28T22:02:32Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > One Gab poster with the lovely name of DieJewDie said, “If Gab is shut down, I’m going to buy an oven.” Paypal has finally cut them off, so that’s one more nail in their coffin. Facebook and twitter are hellscapes of bigotry, too, but gab actually advertises itself in certain places as a haven for racists banned elsewhere. > **[Paypal bans Gab following Pittsburgh shooting](https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/27/18032930/paypal-banned-gab-following-pittsburgh-shooting)** > > The gunman had a history of anti-Semitic posts on the site ---
**Author:** ![Eva\_Luna](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e495f1/32.png) [@Eva\_Luna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eva_Luna)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2018, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/synagogue-shooting-in-pittsburgh-2018-october-27/823600/79 "2018-10-28T22:14:34Z")
> [@FinsToTheLeft](#): > > I just received an email from my rabbi and one of the women killed was a member of our synagogue for many years before moving to Pittsburgh. I didn’t know her, but it still hits close to home. One of the women in the photo on today’s NYT and WaPo stories is actually a third cousin of mine whom I met via a Jewish genealogy board while she was researching a common ancestor. She just moved to Pittsburgh a year or two ago and lost friends in the shooting. So far I have not seen any Jew who I know or to whom I am related want to respond by posting armed guards at synagogues, and certainly I have seen no desire to respond with violence. Just dismay and sadness. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2018, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/synagogue-shooting-in-pittsburgh-2018-october-27/823600/80 "2018-10-28T22:19:18Z")
> [@Eva\_Luna](#): > > One of the women in the photo on today’s NYT and WaPo stories is actually a third cousin of mine whom I met via a Jewish genealogy board while she was researching a common ancestor. She just moved to Pittsburgh a year or two ago and lost friends in the shooting. > > So far I have not seen any Jew who I know or to whom I am related want to respond by posting armed guards at synagogues, and certainly I have seen no desire to respond with violence. Just dismay and sadness. And not the least bit surprised. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/synagogue-shooting-in-pittsburgh-2018-october-27/823600.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/synagogue-shooting-in-pittsburgh-2018-october-27/823600.md?page=5)