# "taco n\*\*\*\*\*s" - no warning issued, mods? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [August 22, 2018, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/taco-n-s-no-warning-issued-mods/820079 "2018-08-22T21:44:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/taco-n-s-no-warning-issued-mods/820079/41 "2018-08-23T11:56:27Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Saying, “Nigger is a common slur against black people” is not going to trigger a warning. Saying, “Barrack Obama is a nigger,” almost certainly would. There’s obviously a lot of middle ground there, and some definite grey areas, but generally speaking, I would not moderate someone saying to another poster, “You’re the sort of person who calls people niggers.” That’s an attack on a (perceived) racist, not an attack on a race, and as such, does not trigger the hate speech rule. **snfaulker** ’s post is of a kind with that - he’s not calling Hispanics “taco niggers” himself, he’s ascribing that attitude to you. So, addressed to a specific Doper, in the Pit, saying “you think of blacks who vote Democratic as niggers” is OK, correct? Since it is an attack on a (perceived) racist, and is not an attack on black people. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/taco-n-s-no-warning-issued-mods/820079/42 "2018-08-23T12:05:44Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I strive to not post in the Pit. I can’t imagine anything productive coming out of such a thread, so I’ll have to decline. Translation: You’re punking out because you know that statement is indefensible. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/taco-n-s-no-warning-issued-mods/820079/43 "2018-08-23T13:46:00Z")
> [@Jasmine](#): > > Translation: You’re punking out because you know that statement is indefensible. This post of yours might itself have been better-suited for the Pit than this forum, but if you’re interested, I’m working on formulating a response to the GD thread on the topic. Check back there later. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/taco-n-s-no-warning-issued-mods/820079/44 "2018-08-23T14:13:20Z")
Maybe TPTB could raise a few bucks by selling Junior Mod badges that could also be used as avatars. ---
**Author:** ![kopek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kopek/32/337_2.png) [@kopek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kopek)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/taco-n-s-no-warning-issued-mods/820079/45 "2018-08-23T14:49:58Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I don’t regularly read the Pit threads either. This one came to my attention because **snfaulkner** linked to it [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=21161489#post21161489) in a reply to me. I get e-mails linked to places I don’t want to be every day and I see links here to other threads I may not enjoy. If I follow them and am shocked or insulted I’m taking some of the blame myself. Yeah, **snfaulkner** played it but IMHO he did it damn well and within the rules. And as most Pit rants go I think his was both well written and amusing even though I disagree with everything it says. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/taco-n-s-no-warning-issued-mods/820079/46 "2018-08-23T15:59:23Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I echo this question. Where XXXX is a slur, > > **Miller** , you seem like the kind of person who is XXXX = warning. > **Miller** , you seem like the kind of person who thinks **UltraVires** is XXXX = no warning. > > Is that the substance of this ruling? > [@Shodan](#): > > So, addressed to a specific Doper, in the Pit, saying “you think of blacks who vote Democratic as niggers” is OK, correct? Since it is an attack on a (perceived) racist, and is not an attack on black people. > > Regards, > Shodan I know you are smart guys. You can’t possibly be still confused over this. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 4:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/taco-n-s-no-warning-issued-mods/820079/47 "2018-08-23T16:21:05Z")
The obvious answer to **UltraVires** ’s question is that the mods would treat trying to use this as a loophole as a warnable offense. The mods have not been shy about doing this before, so why would this be any different? The mere fact of trying to find a loophole in the “don’t be a jerk” style rules is being a jerk, so it’s warnable. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/taco-n-s-no-warning-issued-mods/820079/48 "2018-08-23T16:37:04Z")
> [@manson1972](#): > > I know you are smart guys. You can’t possibly be still confused over this. What I said seems to follow logically from **Miller** ’s ruling. And I think **Bricker** ’s characterization of the ruling is quite straightforward. If “you are the sort of person who calls people n\*ggers” is OK, then nobody is confused about anything. If there is some other factor whereby it is OK in situation X but not otherwise, then I would like to know what that factor is. If it can’t be explained, well, then it would be natural to be confused. > [@BigT](#): > > The obvious answer to UltraVires’s question is that the mods would treat trying to use this as a loophole as a warnable offense. The mods have not been shy about doing this before, so why would this be any different? > > The mere fact of trying to find a loophole in the “don’t be a jerk” style rules is being a jerk, so it’s warnable. I don’t know what this means. What is the difference between “trying to find a loophole”, and posting in accordance with the rules? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/taco-n-s-no-warning-issued-mods/820079/49 "2018-08-23T16:39:19Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I know you are smart guys. You can’t possibly be still confused over this. Man’s understanding is powerless against the lure of the precious “gotcha.” ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/taco-n-s-no-warning-issued-mods/820079/50 "2018-08-23T16:44:15Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > If it can’t be explained, well, then it would be natural to be confused. > I don’t know what this means. What is the difference between “trying to find a loophole”, and posting in accordance with the rules? The former is “How can I work around the rules to do what it intends to prohibit?”, and the latter is posting in accordance with both the letter _and_ the spirit of the rules. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/taco-n-s-no-warning-issued-mods/820079/51 "2018-08-23T16:55:02Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > What I said seems to follow logically from **Miller** ’s ruling. And I think **Bricker** ’s characterization of the ruling is quite straightforward. True, but neither of you were STATING the ruling, you were ASKING about it. As if you didn’t already know the answer to the questions you were asking. Which you had to have known, as shown in this very post that I am quoting. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/taco-n-s-no-warning-issued-mods/820079/52 "2018-08-23T17:28:37Z")
Dammit! Now I’m hungry for Mexican food. Or maybe Fried Chicken. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/taco-n-s-no-warning-issued-mods/820079/53 "2018-08-23T17:29:25Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > I echo this question. Where XXXX is a slur, > > **Miller** , you seem like the kind of person who is XXXX = warning. > **Miller** , you seem like the kind of person who thinks **UltraVires** is XXXX = no warning. > > Is that the substance of this ruling? Yes, that is exactly the substance of this ruling. ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/taco-n-s-no-warning-issued-mods/820079/54 "2018-08-23T17:34:39Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > So, addressed to a specific Doper, in the Pit, saying "you think of blacks who vote Democratic as \ " is OK, correct? Since it is an attack on a (perceived) racist, and is not an attack on black people. It’s not directly an attack on black people. The quote is essentially a longhand version of “racist pig”. The question becomes, did you use this longhand version of “racist pig” to more pointedly insult the racist pig, or did you use it as a backdoor way to get that slur used in front of the people it usually slurs? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/taco-n-s-no-warning-issued-mods/820079/55 "2018-08-23T17:34:42Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Dammit! Now I’m hungry for Mexican food. Or maybe Fried Chicken. I hear the food at [Tacos El Negro](https://www.yelp.com/biz/tacos-el-negro-south-gate) is pretty good. ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/taco-n-s-no-warning-issued-mods/820079/56 "2018-08-23T17:54:50Z")
I vote no warning for taco naggers. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/taco-n-s-no-warning-issued-mods/820079/57 "2018-08-23T17:57:55Z")
> [@Cheesesteak](#): > > It’s not directly an attack on black people. The quote is essentially a longhand version of “racist pig”. > > The question becomes, did you use this longhand version of “racist pig” to more pointedly insult the racist pig, or did you use it as a backdoor way to get that slur used in front of the people it usually slurs? How does one determine the answer to that question? Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/taco-n-s-no-warning-issued-mods/820079/58 "2018-08-23T18:21:25Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > How does one determine the answer to that question? I guess, in theory, one way would be if the person saying “you look like the kind of person who would thinks of Black democrat voters as niggers” has, _themselves_, some sort of history of using, and defending the use of, other slurs against people of colour. That would seem to be a sign that they’re just using it so they can say nigger and get away with it. _Hypothetically_, of course. ---
**Author:** ![kopek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kopek/32/337_2.png) [@kopek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kopek)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2018, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/taco-n-s-no-warning-issued-mods/820079/59 "2018-08-23T18:29:29Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > Dammit! Now I’m hungry for Mexican food. Or maybe Fried Chicken. And I’m thinking pelmeni and some raw beef ------- maybe something salted from Baikal. Could be we’re at opposite ends of the pool. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2018, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/taco-n-s-no-warning-issued-mods/820079/60 "2018-08-24T01:51:18Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > This is probably getting off-topic for this thread, but I do wonder: how do you think the experience would be improved by my participation there? There’s a possibility that after you get busted open, you’ll be full of candy. Metaphorically, of course. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/taco-n-s-no-warning-issued-mods/820079.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/taco-n-s-no-warning-issued-mods/820079.md?page=4)