# Take the guns first... Due process second **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [March 1, 2018, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-the-guns-first-due-process-second/809793 "2018-03-01T02:18:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-the-guns-first-due-process-second/809793/61 "2018-03-04T15:56:41Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > “Gun violence restraining orders” have a disturbing amount of support, some in both parties. I wish you were right that “Literally everyone else in government, including both parties in Congress and every level of the courts, would oppose it”, but many seem to be on board with the idea of “take the guns first, due process second”. I disagree with that, as due process is fairly important to us all. But, I do feel that things should be changed so that due process can be expedited in cases where someone is posing a threat, and it shouldn’t require charging with a felony in order to temporarily remove the guns from the environment. I don’t really think that there are many who are in agreement with the “take the guns first” proposal, and that is not just because we have been against nearly everything else that trump (remember, that is the person who proposed this idea, not a democrat) has proposed. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-the-guns-first-due-process-second/809793/62 "2018-03-04T16:11:42Z")
> [@MEBuckner](#): > > “[N]or shall any person…be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law”. (Fourth Amendment) That is the Fifth Amendment. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 4:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-the-guns-first-due-process-second/809793/63 "2018-03-04T16:17:34Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > No, I’m happy to hear Trump say this because it might, just might, convince a little more of the electorate, and of the body of politicians in power, that Trump is a dangerous, unstable idiot. And the sooner the nation as a whole comes to that realization, the better. Far better for them to realize it from his idiotic ideas that he can’t put into action, than they they do so from idiotic ideas that he can. Given the wealth of objective evidence and record low approval ratings, I suspect that everyone who is going to realize that Trump is an unstable, uninformed, and spastic provocateur have already done so, and the remaining people who have consistently approved of Trump’s behavior are unlikely to revise their position based upon facts. Proposing gun control may alienate a key demographic of gun owners on the far right of the political spectrum, but given the distance that major companies and organizations are trying to put between themselves and the NRA, I’m not sure how well that will translate to votes for any but the small if vocal bloc of single issue voters. For his dyed-in-the-wool apologists, Trump could still shoot someone on Fifth Avenue (at least if you give him a pistol small enough to fit his tiny ha…never mind, too easy) and not lose their support. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-the-guns-first-due-process-second/809793/64 "2018-03-04T16:35:34Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Given the wealth of objective evidence and record low approval ratings, I suspect that everyone who is going to realize that Trump is an unstable, uninformed, and spastic provocateur have already done so, and the remaining people who have consistently approved of Trump’s behavior are unlikely to revise their position based upon facts. Proposing gun control may alienate a key demographic of gun owners on the far right of the political spectrum, but given the distance that major companies and organizations are trying to put between themselves and the NRA, I’m not sure how well that will translate to votes for any but the small if vocal bloc of single issue voters. For his dyed-in-the-wool apologists, Trump could still shoot someone on Fifth Avenue (at least if you give him a pistol small enough to fit his tiny ha…never mind, too easy) and not lose their support. > > Stranger We’ll know he has lost that support when he shows up on fox news with a D in front of his name. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-the-guns-first-due-process-second/809793/65 "2018-03-04T16:47:57Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > We’ll know he has lost that support when he shows up on fox news with a D in front of his name. ‘When pigs fly’ comes to mind… ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-the-guns-first-due-process-second/809793/66 "2018-03-04T16:54:59Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > That is the Fifth Amendment. :smack: D’oh! ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2018, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-the-guns-first-due-process-second/809793/67 "2018-03-04T17:13:40Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Given the wealth of objective evidence and record low approval ratings, I suspect that everyone who is going to realize that Trump is an unstable, uninformed, and spastic provocateur have already done so, and the remaining people who have consistently approved of Trump’s behavior are unlikely to revise their position based upon facts. Proposing gun control may alienate a key demographic of gun owners on the far right of the political spectrum, but given the distance that major companies and organizations are trying to put between themselves and the NRA, I’m not sure how well that will translate to votes for any but the small if vocal bloc of single issue voters. For his dyed-in-the-wool apologists, Trump could still shoot someone on Fifth Avenue (at least if you give him a pistol small enough to fit his tiny ha…never mind, too easy) and not lose their support. > > Stranger Trump will claim 100% approval ratings when it’s down to one house in… (I’m not going to pick on a particular state) that all approve of him. 'cause hey, they all approve of him. [sub]Except for cousin Jeffery, cause they make him live in the shed.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-the-guns-first-due-process-second/809793/68 "2018-03-08T17:34:57Z")
> [@MEBuckner](#): > > :smack: D’oh! You quoted the 5th, but the relevant protections against unlawful seizure are mentioned in the 4th, so don’t beat yourself up. I’m personally astonished that “civil forfeiture” is a thing. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-the-guns-first-due-process-second/809793/69 "2018-03-08T18:53:51Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > I’m personally astonished that “civil forfeiture” is a thing. The Supreme Court has pretty thoroughly eviscerated the 4th Amendment. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-the-guns-first-due-process-second/809793/70 "2018-03-08T19:39:47Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > The Supreme Court has pretty thoroughly eviscerated the 4th Amendment. Indeed, to the point where I have serious misgivings about travelling to, or even through, the United States. I bopped down to Plattsburg, NY, last weekend at the request of my girlfriend because she needed to go shopping at a Target (long story) and they’ve all vanished from Canada. Back when me and the family used to make this trip once or twice a year, we’d buy a fair quantity of American currency before leaving because the exchange was a little better than we’d likely get in the U.S. I ain’t travelling in the U.S. these days with more than a hundred bucks cash if I can possibly avoid it. Thank god for credit cards. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2018, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-the-guns-first-due-process-second/809793/71 "2018-03-08T21:32:22Z")
> [@Bijou\_Drains](#): > > The gov. has no problem taking away money from people they think are drug dealers and there is no due process there. They take the money even when nobody is charged with a crime. Never heard of a court ruling against that , at least so far. That’s wrong too, no matter what the courts say. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-the-guns-first-due-process-second/809793.md?page=3)