# Take Your Virginity and Shove It Up Your Ass! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 22, 2003, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-your-virginity-and-shove-it-up-your-ass/150302 "2003-01-22T22:27:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-your-virginity-and-shove-it-up-your-ass/150302/261 "2003-01-24T18:36:41Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by erislover \* > **However, I do not agree with the camp that doesn’t find virginity or chastity to be unnatural.** Oops. I do not agree with the camp that finds it to be unnatural as there is nothing unnatural about not having sex. Sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-your-virginity-and-shove-it-up-your-ass/150302/262 "2003-01-24T18:40:05Z")
I LOVE virgin boys! I’ve had several, and they are so eager to please! They will do anything, and do it \* exactly the way you want it. \* No ingrained bad habits or hangups. Yep, young and trainable. That’s how I like 'em. ---
**Author:** ![TeaElle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8491ac/32.png) [@TeaElle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TeaElle)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-your-virginity-and-shove-it-up-your-ass/150302/263 "2003-01-24T19:22:04Z")
**Diogenes** , you’ve already admitted that you’e been pulling your pathetic little generalizations about female sexual response out of your ass, so why don’t you stop already? It’s getting old and pointless. ---
**Author:** ![LifeIllustrator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/958977/32.png) [@LifeIllustrator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LifeIllustrator)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-your-virginity-and-shove-it-up-your-ass/150302/264 "2003-01-24T19:41:35Z")
Is this where guys with big dicks check in? Sorry I am late. ---
**Author:** ![EasyPhil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e47c2d/32.png) [@EasyPhil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EasyPhil)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-your-virginity-and-shove-it-up-your-ass/150302/265 "2003-01-24T20:07:45Z")
Has anyone ever found a lost virginity? Has one ever been sighted? All the people in the house with a big dick, say, Ooooow! ---
**Author:** ![Diane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/2acd7d/32.png) [@Diane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diane)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2003, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-your-virginity-and-shove-it-up-your-ass/150302/266 "2003-01-24T21:41:41Z")
> [@](#): > > If he doesn’t love you, then he’s just using your body to get off. Yeah so? I am using his body to do the same. Oh, I used to have a big dick but I divorced him. ---
**Author:** ![catsix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e19b73/32.png) [@catsix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/catsix)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2003, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-your-virginity-and-shove-it-up-your-ass/150302/267 "2003-01-25T02:27:39Z")
> [@](#): > > **Diogenes the Cynic** shared: > Look, most women do not have orgasms every time they have sex. Many women never have orgasms at all. And you know this how exactly? Because unless you can come up with a reputable cite, it sounds like exactly the kind of bullshit a man who’s really bad in bed says. That is, of course, just my personal opinion based on having heard that from a couple of guys who were really shitty in bed. ---
**Author:** ![Daikona](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/8baadc/32.png) [@Daikona](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Daikona)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2003, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-your-virginity-and-shove-it-up-your-ass/150302/268 "2003-01-25T02:50:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by NaSultainne \* > \*\*And of course, not having to worry about all the unintended consequences of pre-marital sex, like pregnancy, AIDS, HPV, and on is so obviously a _bad thing_, isn’t it? \*\* Yep, because everyone knows there’s no such thing as unplanned pregnancies once you’re married. ---
**Author:** ![samarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@samarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samarm)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2003, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-your-virginity-and-shove-it-up-your-ass/150302/269 "2003-01-25T02:57:24Z")
I think that statement by **Diogenes** has revealed more about his performance in bed that he wanted to. In my experience women consistently have at least one orgasm during sex. And I’m not trying to brag or bullshit you - I’m serious. I’m not trying to say I’m a sex god, I’m just an average guy who enjoys satisfying his partner. If my partner is not satisfied then nor am I, this is a big thing for me. I know that many guys will agree with me here. For women in general, on average, I have no idea how many women orgasm, but I would suspect it would be more than **Diogenes** might think. ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2003, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-your-virginity-and-shove-it-up-your-ass/150302/270 "2003-01-25T03:05:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Stoid \* > \*\*Yep, young and trainable. That’s how I like 'em. \*\* If this is not sarcasm… hi! 😉 😃 ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2003, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-your-virginity-and-shove-it-up-your-ass/150302/271 "2003-01-25T03:08:11Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Daikona \* > \*\*Yep, because everyone knows there’s no such thing as unplanned pregnancies once you’re married. \*\* Or STDs! That never happens! ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2003, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-your-virginity-and-shove-it-up-your-ass/150302/272 "2003-01-25T03:09:56Z")
Not that I’m into defending Diogenes or anything, but perhaps he meant a lot of women have trouble having orgasm from peepee in the buhgina alone, rather than by oral or manual means. Could that be it Dio? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2003, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-your-virginity-and-shove-it-up-your-ass/150302/273 "2003-01-25T04:31:57Z")
I got news for ya, **samarm** , they’re faking it. What **jarbaby** said was pretty close to what i meant. It is statistically true that most women do not have orgasms from intercourse alone. (although, oddly enough, the ones who do tend to be multi-orgasmic) Oral sex oobviously works pretty well, but even so, roughly one third of all women do not have orgasms at all (I googled it). The difference seems to be masturbation. Women who masturbate have a much easier time achieving an orgasm than women who don’t. Please note that I didn’t say most women don’t come _ever_, I said that most women don’t come _every time_ and that _some_ women don’t come ever. Is anyone seriously disputing either one of these assertions? Come on, ladies, you _know_ I’m telling the truth. And enough of the horseshit accusations about how good I am, or am not in bed. Mrs. Diogenes has no complaints. I am not selfish, but I am resigned to the fact that _sometimes_ she’s just doing it for me. We can’t all be married to porn stars. Having kids kind of tamps down the mood a little bit. ---
**Author:** ![samarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@samarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samarm)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2003, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-your-virginity-and-shove-it-up-your-ass/150302/274 "2003-01-25T04:42:46Z")
I can only speak for myself, but: - My partner thinks masterbation is disgusting - [I really don’t think she is faking it](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=139463) (see my posts) - She has had three kids And, **Diogenes** , I’m sorry for the stuff about your performance in bed, I know I wouldn’t like that said about me. ---
**Author:** ![NaSultainne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/8797f3/32.png) [@NaSultainne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NaSultainne)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2003, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-your-virginity-and-shove-it-up-your-ass/150302/275 "2003-01-25T04:47:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Daikona \* > \*\*Yep, because everyone knows there’s no such thing as unplanned pregnancies once you’re married. \*\* Gee, take things out of context, much? I was sarcastically replying to the OP belching his mindless “virginity is bad, sex is good, and by the way, I have a BIG DICK, so nyah nyah!”. My point (and you and **Broomstick** and **erislover** all missed it entirely), was that much as anyone sexually active has to take care to _avoid_ complications such as the ones I listed, virgins **don’t have to worry about it**. And I repeat, _this is a bad thing_? For **Broomstick** to then declare that heavy petting resulted in an STD is absurd. Are we then to start debating the meaning of the word ‘is’ again? Has Clinton changed our common terminology that much? If so, let me be precise. I would define a virgin to be one who abstains from sexual contact, not merely sexual intercourse. BLOW JOBS are sex. Not intercourse, but SEX. That teenagers have somehow (Clinton) come to believe that oral sex is not (duh!) sex, that STD’s are thus not a concern, well, it just boggles the mind. If you prefer to to define ‘virgin’ in any other manner, please so specify. Splicing the semantics to this degree is simply an attempt to have it both ways, (I’ve done _everything_ except missionary style, so I’m still as pure as the driven snow! Hah!) and is dishonest in the main. I wouldn’t even defend the blatant hypocrisy inherent in this viewpoint, and would declare the terminology null and void of any reasoned application. Newspeak will indeed have taken over. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2003, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-your-virginity-and-shove-it-up-your-ass/150302/276 "2003-01-25T04:56:51Z")
[quote] **samarm** I can only speak for myself, but: - My partner thinks masterbation is disgusting - I really don’t think she is faking it (see my posts) - She has had three kids And, Diogenes, I’m sorry for the stuff about your performance in bed, I know I wouldn’t like that said about me.\*\* Well, I was just talking about percentages, there are no absolutes. The research show that women who masturbate are significantly _more likely_ to be orgasmic. It doesn’t say that it’s an absolute necessecity. I didn’t mean that having children _per se_ was a mood killer, but having a baby wake up and start crying right in the middle of the action tends to chill out the mood quite a bit 😉 I’m the same way with women as you. I get more from satisfying her than I do for myself, but it’s not as easy for women, and if they’re not orgasmic or just not in the mood, sometimes there’s just nothing the guy can do. If you’ve never once had sex without the woman having an orgasm, then you are either very lucky, very limited in your experience, or very gullible. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and say lucky. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2003, 5:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-your-virginity-and-shove-it-up-your-ass/150302/277 "2003-01-25T05:01:57Z")
On whether Western culture favors virginity or experience: > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Evil Captor \* > Nice cave you must live in. Enjoy the sheltered environment while you can. I’ve seen this attitude often enough to know that it’s fundamentally what’s behind the push to teach abstinence-only sex education in schools. It’s covert now, like racism, but still widespread, also like racism. I don’t know that I would have made that comparison, but since you’ve brought it up I’m willing to go with it. Do you truly believe racism (or looking down on people’s sexual experience) is a dominant, mainstream view? Racism has been satirized since “All in the Family”; hyper-moralism has been fodder for laughs since The Church Lady on “Saturday Night Live”. I don’t question that there are still people who hold to each of those views, but they are scoffed at (if not outright condemned) in popular culture. You say yourself that it’s “covert”, hardly what you’d want for an idea to captivate the masses. Meanwhile “American Pie”, a movie about a boy so desperate to fit in and lose his virginity that he pursues an intimate, physical encounter with a dessert, sold over one-hundred-million dollars worth of tickets in the U.S. alone. My cave must be wired for cable. [sub]Please note, this is not a Hollywood-is-leading-us-to-hell-in-a-handbasket rant. I just think people who argue in favor of sexual experience shoot themselves in the foot when they suggest that there’s anything unconventional or rebellious about it.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Stoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stoid/32/272_2.png) [@Stoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stoid)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2003, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-your-virginity-and-shove-it-up-your-ass/150302/278 "2003-01-25T05:05:27Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by erislover \* > \*\*If this is not sarcasm… hi! 😉 > > 😃 \*\* Not at all. My sweetie was practically a virgin when we got together, and now he is miles ahead of any man I’ve ever been with. Alot to be said for inexperience…fertile soil. ---
**Author:** ![samarm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4da419/32.png) [@samarm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samarm)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2003, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-your-virginity-and-shove-it-up-your-ass/150302/279 "2003-01-25T05:05:40Z")
**Diogenes** said: > [@](#): > > If you’ve never once had sex without the woman having an orgasm, then you are either very lucky, very limited in your experience, or very gullible. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and say lucky. Yes of course I have had sex where she has not had an orgasm. I was referring to my longterm girlfriends, of which I have had only three. I should have probably phrased it as “she commonly has an orgasm”. YMMV. Again, I was hoping some other guys would come in and support my statement but that doesn’t seem to have happened. 🙂 **NaSultannie** : Are you confusing heavy petting with oral sex? To me, heavy petting means kissing and touching, but without the mouth touching the genitals. It is possible to contract an STD even just through kissing, by the way. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2003, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-your-virginity-and-shove-it-up-your-ass/150302/280 "2003-01-25T05:45:04Z")
[quote] **samarm** Yes of course I have had sex where she has not had an orgasm. I was referring to my longterm girlfriends, of which I have had only three. I should have probably phrased it as “she commonly has an orgasm”. YMMV. Again, I was hoping some other guys would come in and support my statement but that doesn’t seem to have happened. \*\* Ah, well that makes sense and sounds more believable. FTR I’ve been with Mrs. D since I was pretty young (early twenties) and didn’t have a ton of experience before then. That is, I had experience but I didn’t really know what I was doing. I’ve learned a lot, though, in thirteen years. 😉 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-your-virginity-and-shove-it-up-your-ass/150302.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/take-your-virginity-and-shove-it-up-your-ass/150302.md?page=15)