# Takeaways from Election Day 2023? **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [November 9, 2023, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/takeaways-from-election-day-2023/992864 "2023-11-09T07:59:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/takeaways-from-election-day-2023/992864/41 "2023-11-10T04:11:15Z")
All of them I hope! Seriously, I meant the one in New York. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/takeaways-from-election-day-2023/992864/42 "2023-11-10T05:49:27Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > I’d say yes. For a long time abortion was the GOP goose that laid the golden egg. As long as you _threatened_ to overturn Roe v Wade, that was good enough to get a lot of people to vote Republican. But by _actually_ overturning Roe v Wade, the GOP has effectively killed their golden goose. I think there were a lot of people who were pro-choice and voted Republican because they figured Roe v. Wade meant it was pretty much a done deal. i.e. They just didn’t think it’d ever be overturned, so who cared what the pro-life wingnuts shouted about? ---
**Author:** ![Johanna](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johanna/32/8318_2.png) [@Johanna](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johanna)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 10:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/takeaways-from-election-day-2023/992864/43 "2023-11-10T10:03:26Z")
Okay, in _the Americas_, geographic smart aleck. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 11:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/takeaways-from-election-day-2023/992864/44 "2023-11-10T11:34:34Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > But the idea that there is a New York Times party line on such as question is, to say the least, mistaken. The NY Times is desperate to be seen as centrist. When the economic news is good, it’s “Inflation is down and employment is up, but there are still troubles for Biden.” When it’s bad, it’s “In bad news for Biden, inflation is up and employment is down.” You should follow the NY Times Pitchbot on Twitter – very eye opening. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/takeaways-from-election-day-2023/992864/45 "2023-11-10T11:44:48Z")
There’s nothing “centrist” about that right-leaning slant. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/takeaways-from-election-day-2023/992864/46 "2023-11-10T12:02:48Z")
I’ve said it before, the New York Times has been putting out a lot of garbage. They are not what they used to be. I’d say the same for the Washington Post. I’m actually getting really irritated with even the media that I’m used to watching. Even when they give President Biden credit for the good he’s doing, they have to remind everyone that he’s old and his poll numbers are just awful. Dude can’t get a break. I’m really sick of it. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/takeaways-from-election-day-2023/992864/47 "2023-11-10T12:50:32Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > Even when they give President Biden credit for the good he’s doing, they have to remind everyone that he’s old and his poll numbers are just awful. Dude can’t get a break. And his poll numbers suck because they keep reminding everyone how old and feeble he is rather than playing up his wins. It’s a vicious cycle. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 1:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/takeaways-from-election-day-2023/992864/48 "2023-11-10T13:11:56Z")
Yup. And, the funny thing is, he’s just a few years older than Trump, and less feeble. Trump makes gaffes all the time, but Biden’s are played up way more, even in the NY Times. I suppose this is off-topic for this thread. My takeaway is that the Democrats are on a pretty good winning streak for a couple of reasons – abortion, Trump, and Republican identity politics are wearing thin. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/takeaways-from-election-day-2023/992864/49 "2023-11-10T13:34:08Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > The NY Times is desperate to be seen as centrist. When the economic news is good, it’s “Inflation is down and employment is up, but there are still troubles for Biden.” When it’s bad, it’s “In bad news for Biden, inflation is up and employment is down.” My perspective is farther from yours than I realized. Any lurker should be aware that these quotations did not actually appear in the New York Times. > [@RitterSport](#): > > My takeaway is that the Democrats are on a pretty good winning streak for a couple of reasons – abortion, Trump, and Republican identity politics are wearing thin. Yes, but as I would say about Bari-Weiss-mirror-image\* New York Times bashing, there is a legitimate, not-made-up other side, in this case having to do with low turnout becoming the Democratic Party’s friend. See: [Democrats did great, but this is not the 2024 electorate ](https://abcnews.go.com/538/live-updates/election-day-2023-live-results-analysis/final-thought-democrats-did-great-but-this-is-not-the-2024-electorate-104711347?id=104679542) > [@](#): > > Because higher levels of education are correlated with political engagement (i.e., turnout) and, increasingly, the likelihood of voting for Democrats, off-year voters have become more reliably Democratic in recent years. But in presidential years, when more voters turn out, outcomes revert to the mean. It’s not bothsidesism when there really are two, or more, sides. As in analysis of the Tuesday election results. \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_ \* Bari Weiss is a center-right to conservative former New York Times staffer who also claims the Times is unfair to people with her politics. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/takeaways-from-election-day-2023/992864/50 "2023-11-10T14:33:33Z")
It’s undeniable that the electorate in off-year elections is smaller than, and different from, the main event coming up in Nov 2024. One argument, as you say, is the more educated folks vote in off-season elections. A different argument is it’s the politically involved who vote in offseason. If there’s one thing Fox, Hannity, _et al_, and finally trumpism has done, it’s engage a new and different bunch of people to become politically involved. Lotta far right frothers think and talk about politics a lot more than the “educated left-leaning voter” from your cite. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/takeaways-from-election-day-2023/992864/51 "2023-11-12T04:13:00Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > 100% agree. That victory in Ohio is very encouraging, but I hope it translates into D votes and not just one-issue votes. It could, if the push to ignore the amendment succeeds or prominently drags out. It’s one thing if you feel disheartened that your own party did not do all it could to further your goals. It’s quite another thing to have something directly taken away from you so brazenly in direct contradiction to the democratic vote. And it is unlike the similar, and thus far successful, attempt to quash the restoration of felons voting rights in Florida which also passed by amendment but was poison-pilled with added monetary penalties by the GOP. Because if you’re successful in thwarting the democratic vote, then you’ll have people pissed off at you but will simultaneously be reducing the number of people able to vote. Whereas if you only effectively disenfranchise people on one issue, you’ve made them angry but have not prevented them from voting. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/takeaways-from-election-day-2023/992864/52 "2023-11-12T13:39:50Z")
> [@Johanna](#): > > Mr. Scott’s ascent to speaker is of tremendous historical significance. Thanks for this info — I’d missed it. Historic indeed. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2023, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/takeaways-from-election-day-2023/992864/53 "2023-11-12T13:46:14Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > If there’s one thing Fox, Hannity, _et al_, and finally trumpism has done, it’s engage a new and different bunch of people to become politically involved. Yes. Fifteen or twenty years ago, we complained that American voter turnout was so low. Much as I despise any vote for Trump, I think it’s good that voter turnout has gotten much higher in recent years (though young’uns still tend to disappoint). ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/takeaways-from-election-day-2023/992864/54 "2023-11-14T20:44:55Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > My perspective is farther from yours than I realized. In the NY Times today, there’s an opinion piece from Ezra Klein asking if Democrats are just whistling past the graveyard. Ezra Klein is a NY Times opinion writer, and that was his takeaway. (I don’t know what the answer is, but that’s the literal headline). And, in the Paul Krugman blog piece today, he writes: > And it’s a running joke among economists I talk to that even mainstream news organizations apparently find it hard to say nice things about the Biden economy. When, say, a new employment report comes in, the headlines don’t usually say things like “Job growth comes in above expectations”; they’re more likely along the lines of, “Rapid job growth may slow soon, experts say, posing problems for Biden.” So, it’s not just my impression. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2023, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/takeaways-from-election-day-2023/992864/55 "2023-11-14T21:47:17Z")
> [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](#): > > Democratic over-confidence in 2016 was the key to Trump’s victory. 538 said it was three things- Comey memo Relentless lies and negative campaigning vs Clinton (including by the Bernie-bros) And poor Electoral strategy. That last may ties into Democratic overconfidence . > [@ParallelLines](#): > > So again, it is important, it cannot be neglected, but it isn’t a winning issue in the way abortion rights are. Right. We need to include LGTBQ rights in the platform, but it is not a hill to die on like abortion rights. > [@Smapti](#): > > The Althing would like a word. It is a good example, but take a look at the gibberish of your quote… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/takeaways-from-election-day-2023/992864.md?page=2)