# Talking about code-switching is now considered trolling? **URL:** \ **Category:** About This Message Board\ **Created:** [July 29, 2019, 5:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-code-switching-is-now-considered-trolling/837798 "2019-07-29T05:45:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-code-switching-is-now-considered-trolling/837798/81 "2019-07-31T15:21:28Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I believe those are nonfiction, and do not therefore paint him in a terribly flattering light. I’m sorry, but if you believe those posts were made for no purpose other than to share an amusing story, you are being extraordinarily naive. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-code-switching-is-now-considered-trolling/837798/82 "2019-07-31T16:09:47Z")
I do believe that, and I can’t stop you from thinking I am naïve if you are determined to feel that way. \ ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-code-switching-is-now-considered-trolling/837798/83 "2019-07-31T16:54:01Z")
I don’t think you’re naive, and I don’t think you actually give a shit about **Bannedman Mike**. I think he’s just a convenient stalking horse for you. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-code-switching-is-now-considered-trolling/837798/84 "2019-07-31T18:50:31Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I believe those are nonfiction, and do not therefore paint him in a terribly flattering light. > [@SlackerInc](#): > > I do believe that, and I can’t stop you from thinking I am naïve if you are determined to feel that way. \ The thing is, it doesn’t really matter whether he’s posting extremely jerkish things because he’s a jerk and honestly finds them amusing, or he’s making them up and trolling just in order to get a reaction. He’s either a jerk or a troll, so there’s really no functional difference. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-code-switching-is-now-considered-trolling/837798/85 "2019-07-31T19:07:58Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > My personal rule is that when a poster starts a response with “so” and then follows with some conclusion or interpretation it’s almost always not an accurate summation. I don’t know what I would name this rule, but there’s got to be something clever sounding. \* “Bone’s ‘so I’m wrong’ rule”?\* > > This is a real thing. I’d relate it more to it being an inaccurate summary of what has actually been said. People who use it aren’t trying to describe reality. They’re using it to attempt _reductio ad absurdum_ on your position. ---
**Author:** ![MeanOldLady](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/meanoldlady/32/10737_2.png) [@MeanOldLady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MeanOldLady)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-code-switching-is-now-considered-trolling/837798/86 "2019-07-31T19:20:11Z")
It’s funny because I don’t hang 'round these parts much, so I don’t know the person, and I immediately read the thread as not-so-thinly veiled racism. Then I read other posts of his and have ruled this person a confirmed troll. :bangs gavel: ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-code-switching-is-now-considered-trolling/837798/87 "2019-07-31T19:22:03Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I do believe that, and I can’t stop you from thinking I am naïve if you are determined to feel that way. \ But the poster did say that he visits lots of boards and decides whether he likes a particular board. If he does, he gets a feel for the mods, what the rules are and how far he can skirt them. If he doesn’t like the board, then he shits all over it. I think once you’ve made such a statement, your posts deserve extra scrutiny. If I understand the ruling correctly, but for this admission of the poster and his past behavior, the thread either would not have been modded or gently modded. I don’t think it should have been modded if someone else posted that, but so goes the modern SDMB. But given the past declaration, it gave the mods good reason to believe that the story was horseshit and he was seeing how many things he could say that were borderline insulting to blacks and get away with it. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-code-switching-is-now-considered-trolling/837798/88 "2019-07-31T19:51:08Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I don’t think you’re naive, and I don’t think you actually give a shit about **Bannedman Mike**. I think he’s just a convenient stalking horse for you. Stalking horse? My, how conspiratorial. :rolleyes: It’s really much simpler than you are painting it, and you really ought to know better. I am an ardent advocate of free expression, of the Millsian sort. (So much so that when Kimstu pointed out that something I was saying was in conflict with that philosophy, I acknowledged she was right and changed my ways.) So no: I don’t give a shit about Mike as a person. He seems like someone I would never want to be friends or even acquaintances with in real life. But that is hardly relevant to my yen for free expression. I am also a stickler for not misusing words. From the beginning of my participation in this thread, my main agenda has been not so much to bring Mike back but to be honest about why he was really banned. Calling him a “troll” makes it easier than admitting that he is who he is, and the moderators and most posters don’t like who he is. Because then you are admitting that you really only want certain kinds of people around here. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-code-switching-is-now-considered-trolling/837798/89 "2019-07-31T19:59:17Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Because then you are admitting that you really only want certain kinds of people around here. And what kinds of people would that be? ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-code-switching-is-now-considered-trolling/837798/90 "2019-07-31T20:00:43Z")
Lots of different kinds, but not the uncouth kind that Mike is. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-code-switching-is-now-considered-trolling/837798/91 "2019-07-31T20:01:22Z")
Banning racially insulting troll kinds of people. I can live with that. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-code-switching-is-now-considered-trolling/837798/92 "2019-07-31T20:02:41Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Stalking horse? My, how conspiratorial. :rolleyes: > > It’s really much simpler than you are painting it, and you really ought to know better. I am an ardent advocate of free expression, of the Millsian sort. (So much so that when Kimstu pointed out that something I was saying was in conflict with that philosophy, I acknowledged she was right and changed my ways.) > > So no: I don’t give a shit about Mike as a person. He seems like someone I would never want to be friends or even acquaintances with in real life. But that is hardly relevant to my yen for free expression. > > I am also a stickler for not misusing words. From the beginning of my participation in this thread, my main agenda has been not so much to bring Mike back but to be honest about why he was really banned. Calling him a “troll” makes it easier than admitting that he is who he is, and the moderators and most posters don’t like who he is. Because then you are admitting that you really only want certain kinds of people around here. Such as non-jerks and non-trolls. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-code-switching-is-now-considered-trolling/837798/93 "2019-07-31T20:03:43Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Because then you are admitting that you really only want certain kinds of people around here. This is absolutely true. It’s in the Registration Agreement, in fact. > [@](#): > > We have one guiding principle: Don’t be a jerk. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-code-switching-is-now-considered-trolling/837798/94 "2019-07-31T20:04:57Z")
Then announce that he was banned for being a jerk. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-code-switching-is-now-considered-trolling/837798/95 "2019-07-31T20:05:35Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Lots of different kinds, but not the uncouth kind that Mike is. I’m pretty sure what they don’t want are trolls and jerks. If they were targeting the uncouth, then why am _I_ sti ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-code-switching-is-now-considered-trolling/837798/96 "2019-07-31T20:06:13Z")
Lolz ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-code-switching-is-now-considered-trolling/837798/97 "2019-07-31T20:18:25Z")
On the serious side, if what you claim is true and The Powers That Be are specifically targeting the “uncouth” for bannination, then can you show us other examples of people that were banned for this reason? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-code-switching-is-now-considered-trolling/837798/98 "2019-07-31T20:27:15Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Stalking horse? My, how conspiratorial. It’s not a conspiracy if you’re the only one doing it. > [@](#): > > I am an ardent advocate of free expression, of the Millsian sort. Yes, I’m well aware of what’s behind the horse cutout. > [@](#): > > Because then you are admitting that you really only want certain kinds of people around here. Yes, the non-trollish sort. Mike \*was \*a jerk. And trolling was \*how \*he jerked. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-code-switching-is-now-considered-trolling/837798/99 "2019-07-31T20:39:28Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Then announce that he was banned for being a jerk. What difference does it make to you whether it was announced he was banned for being a troll or a jerk? The two aren’t always mutually exclusive. ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2019, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-code-switching-is-now-considered-trolling/837798/100 "2019-07-31T20:39:29Z")
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