# Talking about collusion with Russians... **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 17, 2017, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-collusion-with-russians/799135 "2017-10-17T16:29:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-collusion-with-russians/799135/21 "2017-10-19T14:16:01Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Routinely - no. When they affect national security and are relevant to the national security decisions being taken at the time - yes. What is your evidence for the FBI disclosing criminal investigations to congressional committees “when they affect national security” or “are relevant to the national security decisions being taken at the time?” Your link doesn’t support that statement. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-collusion-with-russians/799135/22 "2017-10-19T15:32:42Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > And more developments: [Rachel Maddow discusses](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN_zx5F80xA) two [real scandals](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpDw8fswwRM). Comments, **Okrahoma**? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-collusion-with-russians/799135/23 "2017-10-19T17:29:35Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > [Rachel Maddow discusses](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN_zx5F80xA) two [real scandals](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpDw8fswwRM). Comments, **Okrahoma**? Your first link doesn’t contain much information at all; just FYI. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-collusion-with-russians/799135/24 "2017-10-19T17:40:55Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > [Rachel Maddow discusses](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oN_zx5F80xA) two [real scandals](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpDw8fswwRM). Comments, **Okrahoma**? Quick, try to distract with two completely unrelated (and one removed) youtube videos! ---
**Author:** ![somepumpkin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7feea3/32.png) [@somepumpkin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/somepumpkin)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-collusion-with-russians/799135/25 "2017-10-19T17:49:18Z")
2010…? Yyaaaaaaaawn. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-collusion-with-russians/799135/26 "2017-10-19T17:54:20Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Quick, try to distract with two completely unrelated (and one removed) youtube videos! This is especially funny because the whole point of trying to get people talking about Hillary and uranium is to distract people from other stuff, like Trump’s failure in Puerto Rico or his failure in a phone call or the GOP’s failure to pass any significant legislation despite controlling the House and Senate and having a GOP POTUS, etc., etc. ---
**Author:** ![garygnu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/garygnu/32/2924_2.png) [@garygnu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/garygnu)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-collusion-with-russians/799135/27 "2017-10-19T18:07:00Z")
Looks like 45\* realized he’s losing the NFL tantrum-throwing twaddle, needed a new distraction. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2017, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-collusion-with-russians/799135/28 "2017-10-19T19:08:24Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Quick, try to distract with two completely unrelated (and one removed) youtube videos! [Bricker] That’s how it’s done. [/Bricker] ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-collusion-with-russians/799135/29 "2017-10-20T10:44:53Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Your first link doesn’t contain much information at all; just FYI. > [@Okrahoma](#): > > Quick, try to distract with two completely unrelated (and one removed) youtube videos! Ouch! Was it the first link that said ‘Removed’? The 2nd link still clicks to my intended. My hypothesis is that the RACHEL MADDOW NEWS decided to reuse that URL, first passing through a ‘Removed’ state on its way to a short clip unrelated to my original. 😕 But you did click, **Okrahoma**! If I hunt down the intended Rachel Maddow show, would you watch it? Let me ask you the same question I’m asking other Trumpists: On the topic of collusion between Putin and U.S. election campaigns, _what’s your best guess as to the bigger offender?_ Trump’s campaign or Hillary’s? IOW, is your argument “You’re side does it too” or “Hillary is the criminal; charges against Dear Leader are #FakeNews” ? ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-collusion-with-russians/799135/30 "2017-10-20T11:50:49Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > But you did click, **Okrahoma**! If I hunt down the intended Rachel Maddow show, would you watch it? No. Would you listen to Rush Limbaugh? > [@](#): > > Let me ask you the same question I’m asking other Trumpists: On the topic of collusion between Putin and U.S. election campaigns, _what’s your best guess as to the bigger offender?_ Trump’s campaign or Hillary’s? IOW, is your argument “You’re side does it too” or “Hillary is the criminal; charges against Dear Leader are #FakeNews” ? I don’t think there was any collusion between Trump’s campaign and Russia - it’s all fantasies of people who are baffled that Trump won. I don’t think there was any collusion between Hillary’s campaign and Russia. I do think Russians greased the wheels in the uranium deal a bit by funneling money to Hillary. TheHill’s article in fact says so explicitly. As in: “Russian nuclear officials had routed millions of dollars to the U.S. designed to benefit former President Bill Clinton’s charitable foundation during the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government body that provided a favorable decision to Moscow, sources told The Hill” Hope this clarifies matters for you. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-collusion-with-russians/799135/31 "2017-10-20T12:39:20Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > No. Would you listen to Rush Limbaugh? > I don’t think there was any collusion between Trump’s campaign and Russia - it’s all fantasies of people who are baffled that Trump won. > > I don’t think there was any collusion between Hillary’s campaign and Russia. > > I do think Russians greased the wheels in the uranium deal a bit by funneling money to Hillary. TheHill’s article in fact says so explicitly. As in: “Russian nuclear officials had routed millions of dollars to the U.S. designed to benefit former President Bill Clinton’s charitable foundation during the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government body that provided a favorable decision to Moscow, sources told The Hill” > > Hope this clarifies matters for you. [Snopes.](https://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/) > [@](#): > > **The Uranium One deal was not Clinton’s to veto or approve** > > Among the ways these accusations stray from the facts is in attributing a power of veto or approval to Secretary Clinton that she simply did not have. Clinton was one of nine cabinet members and department heads that sit on the CFIUS, and the secretary of the treasury is its chairperson. CFIUS members are collectively charged with evaluating the transaction for potential national security issues, then turning their findings over to the president. By law, the committee can’t veto a transaction; only the president can. According to The New York Times, Clinton may not have even directly participated in the Uranium One decision. Then-Assistant Secretary of State Jose Fernandez, whose job it was to represent the State Dept. on CFIUS, said Clinton herself “never intervened” in committee matters. > > \*\*The timing of most of the donations does not match > \*\* > Of the $145 million allegedly contributed to the Clinton Foundation by Uranium One investors, the lion’s share — $131.3 million — came from a single donor, Frank Giustra, the company’s founder. But Giustra sold off his entire stake in the company in 2007, three years before the Russia deal and at least 18 months before Clinton became secretary of state. > > Of the remaining individuals connected with Uranium One who donated to the Clinton Foundation, only one was found to have contributed during the same time frame that the deal was taking place, according to The New York Times — Ian Telfer, the company’s chairman: > > The timing of Telfer’s donations might be questionable if there was reason to believe that Hillary Clinton was instrumental in the approval of the deal with Russia, but all the evidence points to the contrary — that Clinton did not play a pivotal role, and, in fact, may not have played any role at all. Hope this clarifies matters for you. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-collusion-with-russians/799135/32 "2017-10-20T12:53:24Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > [Snopes.](https://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-uranium-russia-deal/) "“Russian nuclear officials had routed millions of dollars to the U.S. designed to benefit former President Bill Clinton’s charitable foundation during the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government body that provided a favorable decision to Moscow, sources told The Hill” is new information that Snopes doesn’t address. Not Giustra. Not Telfer. “Russian nuclear officials”. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-collusion-with-russians/799135/33 "2017-10-20T12:58:38Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > "“Russian nuclear officials had routed millions of dollars to the U.S. designed to benefit former President Bill Clinton’s charitable foundation during the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government body that provided a favorable decision to Moscow, sources told The Hill” is new information that Snopes doesn’t address. > > Not Giustra. Not Telfer. “Russian nuclear officials”. How conveniently non-specific, Anonymous sources much? Since someone knows about it, I’m sure you can link to the proof of this. Otherwise, it’s the fake news the Russians and their operatives are so well known to spread. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-collusion-with-russians/799135/34 "2017-10-20T16:24:16Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > No. Would you listen to Rush Limbaugh? > I don’t think there was any collusion between Trump’s campaign and Russia - it’s all fantasies of people who are baffled that Trump won. > > I don’t think there was any collusion between Hillary’s campaign and Russia. > > I do think Russians greased the wheels in the uranium deal a bit by funneling money to Hillary. TheHill’s article in fact says so explicitly. As in: “Russian nuclear officials had routed millions of dollars to the U.S. designed to benefit former President Bill Clinton’s charitable foundation during the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government body that provided a favorable decision to Moscow, sources told The Hill” > > Hope this clarifies matters for you. “Explicitly”? :dubious: Where was the part where it said “designed to influence Hillary Clinton’s work on the CFIUS”? I saw “designed to benefit former President Bill Clinton’s charitable foundation” but not the other part. Could you point it out? ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-collusion-with-russians/799135/35 "2017-10-20T17:08:56Z")
More about Hillary’s involvement with Russians. Frantic efforts by her to return caught Russian spies in “one-sided” deal with Russia. > **[Hillary Clinton’s Russian Ghost Stories](https://dailycaller.com/2017/10/20/hillary-clintons-russian-ghost-stories/)** > > Russian intelligence targeted Clinton before she became secretary of state, records show. For TL;DRs - “Several questions come to mind. Precisely what did the FBI know about Russia’s spy service targeting Hillary Clinton and her inner circle? Why did Clinton deny through spokespersons that she had been a Russian target? Why did she work so feverishly to get the spies out of the United States and back to Russia? Why has the FBI leadership not been more vocal in touting one of its greatest counterintelligence successes ever? And why did nobody in the FBI leadership raise this issue during the 2016 Russian election meddling controversy?” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-collusion-with-russians/799135/36 "2017-10-20T17:17:41Z")
[More about John Kelly’s lies](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/video-frederica-wilson-2015-fbi-speech). ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-collusion-with-russians/799135/37 "2017-10-20T17:20:15Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [More about John Kelly’s lies](http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/video-frederica-wilson-2015-fbi-speech). Complete non-sequitur. Did you mean to post this in another thread? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-collusion-with-russians/799135/38 "2017-10-20T17:25:57Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Complete non-sequitur. Did you mean to post this in another thread? After a while, all your idiot threads start looking alike. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-collusion-with-russians/799135/39 "2017-10-20T17:27:04Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > More about Hillary’s involvement with Russians. Frantic efforts by her to return caught Russian spies in “one-sided” deal with Russia. > > [Hillary Clinton’s Russian Ghost Stories | The Daily Caller](http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/20/hillary-clintons-russian-ghost-stories/) > > For TL;DRs - > > “Several questions come to mind. Precisely what did the FBI know about Russia’s spy service targeting Hillary Clinton and her inner circle? Why did Clinton deny through spokespersons that she had been a Russian target? Why did she work so feverishly to get the spies out of the United States and back to Russia? Why has the FBI leadership not been more vocal in touting one of its greatest counterintelligence successes ever? And why did nobody in the FBI leadership raise this issue during the 2016 Russian election meddling controversy?” Did read, but opinion piece, dismissed. Although it shows that the Russians did wanted to meddle in our affairs from a long time ago, this does not remove at all the current issue with the President and his family (in reality it shows how they could move from the apparent failure to get a lot from Clinton to the blatant current issue where Trump is late on adopting the sanctions to Russia that congress approved. It is the Trump family the one that is indeed ruthless and wants to enrich themselves with the government while the Russians helped them more directly. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2017, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-collusion-with-russians/799135/40 "2017-10-20T17:29:57Z")
It strikes me as dishonesty to argue that the Clintons don’t have dirt under their finger nails. I’m all for investigative reporting of that dirt, where it came from and how long it’s been there. HOWEVER, they are not elected officials now. They do not play a role in governing this country and they do not pose a threat to the stability of government, national security and international relations. We all know who does and that should be the primary focus of the Russian collusion investigation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-collusion-with-russians/799135.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/talking-about-collusion-with-russians/799135.md?page=3)