# Task Force Liberty **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 27, 2005, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704 "2005-05-27T02:13:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/1 "2005-05-27T02:13:49Z")
How long before these “patriotic” code names become utter bull. People die in Iraq and they tag a political name name to thier death. Operation Freedom, Task Force Liberty, blah blah blah. You won the election by barely 50 percent of the popular vote, where is your “mandate” to declare everybody who dies for your cause a freedom fighter? And no, I do respect our troops and the fact that most of them did not choose to be there. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/2 "2005-05-27T02:19:23Z")
Who is the “you” you’re addressing in your post? I didn’t win any elections and I’ve never declared anybody a freedom fighter. If you’re attempting to speak to President Bush, he’s not a regular poster on this board. I think he was a lurker but he dropped out after we went to subscriptions. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/3 "2005-05-27T02:42:40Z")
I had to look up [Task Force Liberty](http://www.first.army.mil/pao/2005_Articles/Rainbow_Division_TF_Move_Out.htm) to see who they were. Turns out the Rainbow Division is supplying their command, control, logistics and operational base. You’ve got to call them something. Some of the choices, like Camp Cropper for Saddam’s prison, are pretty good. Others, a little lame. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/4 "2005-05-27T02:50:02Z")
Why not just call it Operation Wang Chung? I mean, don’t get me wrong, I’m sure Project Banarama will go off without a hitch… ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/5 "2005-05-27T02:55:32Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > Who is the “you” you’re addressing in your post? I didn’t win any elections and I’ve never declared anybody a freedom fighter. If you’re attempting to speak to President Bush, he’s not a regular poster on this board. I think he was a lurker but he dropped out after we went to subscriptions. You know for a fact that he is not posting here, or one of his co-horts? :wally What does that have to do with the question? :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/6 "2005-05-27T03:01:05Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > Why not just call it Operation Wang Chung? I mean, don’t get me wrong, I’m sure Project Banarama will go off without a hitch… So why choose a politicallly charged neme? Tha 😕 t’s the point. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/7 "2005-05-27T03:03:45Z")
Before some simpleton marches in, I mispelled name to be neme. Move on to the point pleze . . . ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/8 "2005-05-27T03:07:01Z")
Oh, and TFL is here, today . .[http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7897149/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7897149/) . ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/9 "2005-05-27T03:13:38Z")
> [@Si Amigo](#): > > So why choose a politicallly charged neme? Tha 😕 t’s the point. I’m not sure that using “Freedom” in a name automatically makes it political, or at least not _effectively_ political if its propaganda value is too obvious. Exactly who do you think is being fooled by this sort of clumsy labelling or, more specifically, who is it that was previously opposed to American military actions and changed his/her mind because of what such actions were called? In any case, there’s no shortage of unsmiling, unromanticized casualty reports. They can call it “Operation Hugs and Kisses Under a Framed Painting of George Washington” if they like, but CNN will gladly keep reporting every American who gets a papercut. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/10 "2005-05-27T03:22:39Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > I’m not sure that using “Freedom” in a name automatically makes it political, or at least not _effectively_ political if its propaganda value is too obvious. Exactly who do you think is being fooled by this sort of clumsy labelling or, more specifically, who is it that was previously opposed to American military actions and changed his/her mind because of what such actions were called? > > In any case, there’s no shortage of unsmiling, unromanticized casualty reports. They can call it “Operation Hugs and Kisses Under a Framed Painting of George Washington” if they like, but CNN will gladly keep reporting every American who gets a papercut. Well why not call it “Hugs and Kisses”? Why choose Liberty? Get real, WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO SELL? To deny that they (yes, the Bush Administration) is not trying to SELL the war is blindness. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/11 "2005-05-27T03:22:42Z")
The Bushiviks have come to a much more sophisticated understanding of the importance of these names, both to inspire the American public and to encourage the Iraqi militia. Thus, the Arabic translation of the chosen code name is as important, if not more important, than the name chosen for American consumption. This lesson was brought home after the disastrous failure of Operation The Prophet Nibbles Porky’s Nutsack. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/12 "2005-05-27T03:29:57Z")
Oh, like Operation “Market Gardern” or “D-Day” were not successful because of thier names. The English language has what, a 1/2 million differnet words and countless variations? You could call it “Operation XYZ” and what would people think, that they were looking at thier zippers? 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/13 "2005-05-27T03:39:20Z")
> [@Si Amigo](#): > > Well why not call it “Hugs and Kisses”? Why choose Liberty? Get real, WHAT ARE THEY TRYING TO SELL? To deny that they (yes, the Bush Administration) is not trying to SELL the war is blindness. Well, of course they’re trying to SELL the war, just as every President has tried to “sell” some idea or action important to his administration and/or his administration’s main financial/political supporters. As for “why” they’re selling it, what do you care since you’re obviously not buying it? Is there some concern that some people somewhere are stupid enough to buy it solely based on the names? ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/14 "2005-05-27T03:45:26Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > Well, of course they’re trying to SELL the war, just as every President has tried to “sell” some idea or action important to his administration and/or his administration’s main financial/political supporters. > > As for “why” they’re selling it, what do you care since you’re obviously not buying it? Is there some concern that some people somewhere are stupid enough to buy it solely based on the names? No, my point is when does it just become smuck! Somebody selling something that nobody want’s tp buy. Like Ginsue knives or some flute player from India. :wally Become a little more sohisticated is all I’m asking . . . ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/15 "2005-05-27T03:53:02Z")
Um, you’ll really need to learn to tone it down if you want to start threads in this forum. Better to ask that this be moved to the Pit, at which point I’ll be happy to unload the full power of my mighty and sophisticated brain upon you. “when does it just become smuck” ? Is that, like, one of those Indian gods, “I am become smuck, the obscurer of words?” ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/16 "2005-05-27T03:58:31Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > Um, you’ll really need to learn to tone it down if you want to start threads in this forum. Better to ask that this be moved to the Pit, at which point I’ll be happy to unload the full power of my mighty and sophisticated brain upon you. > > “when does it just become smuck” ? Is that, like, one of those Indian gods, “I am become smuck, the obscurer of words?” Sorry self appointed admin, didnt mean to upset you? Can’t handle the acctual question? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/17 "2005-05-27T04:09:01Z")
Well, the only question is why you’re working yourself up over this issue. Okay, there’s a second question of why I should care. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/18 "2005-05-27T04:13:45Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > Well, the only question is why you’re working yourself up over this issue. > > Okay, there’s a second question of why I should care. Well if you don’t care then don’t post in debates. Not that I try to potray myself as a moderator. :eek: Debates is were you are supposed to get yourself worked over issues, isn’t it?. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/19 "2005-05-27T04:29:18Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > Um, you’ll really need to learn to tone it down if you want to start threads in this forum. Better to ask that this be moved to the Pit, at which point I’ll be happy to unload the full power of my mighty and sophisticated brain upon you. So basically, what you are saying is that this souldn’t even be asked? ☹ Oh, please unload your mighty and sophisticated brain brain upon me). Come on, I’m a big boy. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Imasquare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Imasquare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Imasquare)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/20 "2005-05-27T04:35:53Z")
> [@Si Amigo](#): > > How long before these “patriotic” code names become utter bull. I’ve always thought the silly code names the police and military give their operations are emarassingly cheesy. Makes them sound like a bunch of wankers. > [@Si Amigo](#): > > People die in Iraq and they tag a political name name to thier death. Operation Freedom, Task Force Liberty, blah blah blah. You won the election by barely 50 percent of the popular vote, where is your “mandate” to declare everybody who dies for your cause a freedom fighter? And no, I do respect our troops and the fact that most of them did not choose to be there. :mad: I agree - the Iraq invasion is an act of evil. But in an indirect way the soldiers did choose to go there. When they joined the military they knew they would be required to go and fight where ever their government sends them. It would be different if the were conscripted but that is probably not going to happen for another year or so. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704.md?page=2)