# Task Force Liberty **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 27, 2005, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704 "2005-05-27T02:13:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/21 "2005-05-27T04:47:16Z")
I agee, most of them signed up knowing that they may have to go off to a undesribed war somewhere and now they are having to face up to the REALITY of that, but, do THEY (read admin, not neccessarily Bush) have to place these patroicic names onto the missions they are fighting and giving thier lives for to make them patriotic? ☹ Can’t we agree that they are giving thier lives for a just reason without putting some cheessy desription to the campaign that they got killed in? It’s not about being agaist or for the action, it’s about having a little respect. They died just the same for campaign XYZ as they do for campaign Freedom isn’t it 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/22 "2005-05-27T05:58:44Z")
> [@Si Amigo](#): > > Oh, and TFL is here, today . .[http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7897149/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7897149/) . I am amazed/worried. Since I posted they changed the name of the operation in the news story in the link from Task Force Liberty to Lightning. :eek: Looks like GW is watching and reading the STMB! :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Driver8](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5a626/32.png) [@Driver8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Driver8)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/23 "2005-05-27T14:13:13Z")
The military could use corporate sponsorships. How about “Operation Pepsi Cola” or “Operation Olive Garden”? They’re no less ridiculous, and they’d have extra cash for fighter jets or wall units or whatever it is that militaries like to buy. ---
**Author:** ![E-Sabbath](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e19adc/32.png) [@E-Sabbath](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-Sabbath)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/24 "2005-05-27T17:41:12Z")
As I understand it, task force names are chosen from a random list of names. They shouldn’t duplicate a previous name that year, and they should have nothing to do with the actual mission, so as to provide minimal helpful information to spies. Liberty, being an ‘empty’ word operationally, is perfectly suited for this sort of naming. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/25 "2005-05-27T19:33:10Z")
> [@Driver8](#): > > The military could use corporate sponsorships. How about “Operation Pepsi Cola” or “Operation Olive Garden”? They’re no less ridiculous, and they’d have extra cash for fighter jets or wall units or whatever it is that militaries like to buy. Heh. “This week’s carpet bombing brought to you by Stainmaster!” ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/26 "2005-05-27T19:43:25Z")
**Moderator’s Note:** **Si Amigo** , don’t insult other posters in Great Debates; that includes [using a smiley to call them “putzes”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=4370655). This thread doesn’t really seem like a debate about what sort of names we should give our military operations; it seems like a rant. I am therefore carrying out Operation Screaming Noble Eagle of Freedom and moving this thread to the Pit as of 19:53 hours Zulu. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/27 "2005-05-27T19:56:27Z")
Pit check… Pit check… all clear? The OP is a fucking moron. Over. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/28 "2005-05-27T19:59:33Z")
> [@MEBuckner](#): > > as of 19:53 hours Zulu. Your watch is fast, please synchronize. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/29 "2005-05-27T20:03:31Z")
Actually the board clock is slow. Either that, or the U.S. Naval Observatory is fast, but I’m putting my money on the board clock being slow. ---
**Author:** ![Stonebow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Stonebow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stonebow)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/30 "2005-05-27T20:05:56Z")
> [@E-Sabbath](#): > > As I understand it, task force names are chosen from a random list of names. They shouldn’t duplicate a previous name that year, and they should have nothing to do with the actual mission, so as to provide minimal helpful information to spies. > > Liberty, being an ‘empty’ word operationally, is perfectly suited for this sort of > naming. Yeah, if everyone got to pick their own operation names, they’d all be ‘Operation Badass’ or ‘Operation Boot to the Head’ or something equally profound. And think of the complaints in the ranks… (channeling Tarantino) Major: Hey, how come I’ve got Operation Pink? Colonel: Because yer a faggot, alright! (channeling Tarantino) And before I forget, though I’m no fan of the administration, the CiC, or our foreign occupations, the OP is a raving lunatic. That’s all people. This thread is Omega…let’s bug out! ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/31 "2005-05-27T20:07:20Z")
> [@Little Nemo](#): > > Who is the “you” you’re addressing in your post? I didn’t win any elections and I’ve never declared anybody a freedom fighter. If you’re attempting to speak to President Bush, he’s not a regular poster on this board. I think he was a lurker but he dropped out after we went to subscriptions. It’s called ‘apostrophe’. “The direct address of an absent or imaginary person or of a personified abstraction, especially as a digression in the course of a speech or composition.” Meaning 2 listed here: [http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=apostrophe](http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=apostrophe) ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/32 "2005-05-27T20:17:04Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > The OP is a fucking moron. Over. Copy that. All here agree. Advise nuking him from orbit…its the only way to be sure. -XT ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/33 "2005-05-27T20:21:31Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > Better to ask that this be moved to the Pit, at which point I’ll be happy to unload the full power of my mighty and sophisticated brain upon you. > [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > Pit check… Pit check… all clear? > The OP is a fucking moron. Over. Thats mighty and sophisticated? You can do better. I’ve seen it. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![askeptic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/eb9ed0/32.png) [@askeptic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/askeptic)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/34 "2005-05-27T20:24:10Z")
I think the original name was **O** peration **I** raqi **L** iberation but the spimmeisters nixed it for some reason. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2005, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/35 "2005-05-27T20:44:57Z")
> [@askeptic](#): > > Thats mighty and sophisticated? You can do better. I’ve seen it. 😛 Curses! A better petard-hoisting I’ve not seen in many a fortyear. Well, I’ll wait to see if the OP stops by to give me more ammunition. Thus far, I’ve expressed my true opinion succinctly and perfectly. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2005, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/36 "2005-06-01T02:35:21Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > Curses! A better petard-hoisting I’ve not seen in many a fortyear. > > Well, I’ll wait to see if the OP stops by to give me more ammunition. Thus far, I’ve expressed my true opinion succinctly and perfectly. Sorry Bryan, I don’t don’t mud wrestle with pigs. Oh, forgive me I just did. :smack: Yeah, you got this into the pit. Right where your kind belong. End of post. Go on, unlease your keen mind upon me, it will not be answered, :mad: FU too. ---
**Author:** ![Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ccd318/32.png) [@Paul\_in\_Qatar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Paul_in_Qatar)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2005, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/37 "2005-06-01T02:47:04Z")
I would point out I am the (self-appointed) World’s Leading Authority on military codewords (for operations, not for units or things). If I can help you on this subject, let me know. (Not to spoil your rant, rant on.) ---
**Author:** ![Imasquare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Imasquare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Imasquare)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2005, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/38 "2005-06-01T02:50:56Z")
> [@Bryan Ekers](#): > > The OP is a fucking moron. Over. Really? Why? I just re-read the entire thread and found nothing moronic, nor offensive in Si Amigo’s postings. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2005, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/39 "2005-06-01T02:55:06Z")
> [@Paul in Saudi](#): > > I would point out I am the (self-appointed) World’s Leading Authority on military codewords (for operations, not for units or things). If I can help you on this subject, let me know. > > (Not to spoil your rant, rant on.) Well Paul, I do kind of respect your opinion, so yes, please educate me. Seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2005, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704/40 "2005-06-01T10:57:18Z")
Hmm, four days for that? I stand by my statement. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/task-force-liberty/305704.md?page=3)