Meanwhile congress has allowed CHIP, the children’s healthcare program to expire. A real war is being waged against the young, the elderly and the poor. And the middle class is next on the hit list, because being a billionaire is just not enough.
Ukulele Ike’s college pals, 1980:. It’s okay that Reagan got elected, man! Now the SHIT will come down and the scales will fall from th’ PEOPLES’ eyes and we’ll be able to install a real Progressive government!
Me:. Right on!
Didn’t work out somehow. Huh.
If they leave in the individual mandate and keep the deductible for tuition waivers, I’ll consider that a win compared to what could happen.
This tax relief is increasing my taxes dramatically.
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Oh, my mistake. Well, whatever they come up with I’m sure it will be wonderful and hardly covered in crayon at all.
They still need to come up with a final bill that gets a majority in both the House and Senate, right? Is that not seen as any kind of hurdle at this point?
I thought it was interesting (sarcasm) that when Sen. McCaskill asked why they didn’t have a copy of the tax bill, a fucking lobbyist handed her one. :mad:
I don’t think so. Both plans do a good enough job of fucking over the poor and the young and the elderly, and of handing billions of dollars to the already-wealthy. And the Republicans are desperate to pass something—anything—so that they can point to it and say that the first year of the new Congress and the Trump presidency wasn’t a total failure. I’m pretty sure it will get passed somehow, even if the House just drops its own bill and gets on board with the Senate version.
This.
As I have posted in an older thread, we in Washington state did exactly this in the 1990s. Healthcare reform was enacted with guaranteed issue and an insurance mandate.
A year or so later, the legislature flipped and they repealed just the mandate. Premiums increased and people stated to game the system by signing up only when needing treatment. The death spiral started and by 1999, you could not buy a healthcare policy in this state.
Here is a 2012 article about it in the WaPost.
Well, I have been doing what I can to fight this, but now that it has passed, I am trying to look on the bright side:
(1) Because I have gone from a high-paying corporate job to a low-paying academic one, the provisions regarding not being able to deduct various state taxes will hurt me but not that much (with my current income) while the provisions that throw a lot of money at big corporations will help the stock market that I am heavily invested in (as a result of the money that I saved when I had a higher income).
(2) A lot of Trump voters, who are not as heavily invested in the market and maybe don’t have as good access to health care, will get screwed more than me. Yes, it has come to the point where I am now taking solace in the pain and suffering being inflicted on these voters. (Note: You might say that this makes me no better than a Trump voter, but I disagree because I am actually doing what I can to oppose them getting screwed. I am just willing to see those particular people getting screwed as a silver lining when things don’t go the way I want them to.)
Shouldn’t have been a first reference, dude.
As far as the tax bill goes, it removes the Obamacare mandate. That one item alone is worth passing it for. Although for the life of me, I don’t understand why they just haven’t repealed Obamacare outright instead of fiddle-farting around with it.
That’s because you’re stupid, Clothy.
President Camacho objects to the comparison.
I don’t think they’re going to have much trouble reconciling these.
Only 13 repubs voted No in the house and they can afford to lose at least 10 more (it was 227-195-2). I didn’t do an exact count, but most of the repubs who voted no were from states with state income taxes. There’s no diff in the handling of SALT between the House and Senate bills.
The Senate can only lose 1 vote, it was 51-49. But they managed to get Collins to vote for it while repealing the Obamacare mandate which she didn’t want to do, so
Look at that list of differences and tell me which items they’re really going to fight over. I don’t see any. Tell me which House repubs are going to change to No because the Senate bill:
[ul]
[li]Repeals the Obamacare mandate instead of retaining it[/li][li]Lets the individual tax cuts expire in 2025[/li][li]Doubles the estate tax exemption to $11mil/$22mil but doesn’t totally eliminate it in 2024[/li][li]Increases the kid credit to $2,000 instead of $1,600[/li][li]Leaves the mortgage interest deduction alone instead of capping it at $500,000[/li][li]Has 7 brackets instead of 3[/li][li]Delays the corporate tax cut by 1 year[/li][/ul]
I wouldn’t be surprised if the only compromise among those things was in the number of brackets. But I don’t see the Senate really giving a shit about most of it either.
That was the thing that gave repubs fainting spells on the order of waking up with no guns in the house.
They’re going to say they repealed Obamacare.
You shouldn’t. They’ll hurt, but they’ll blame it on the godless and the jews and Mexicans and North Korea and the gays and the Deep State and Obama - everybody but themselves. Because that’s why they voted for Trump in the first place, remember ? And thus they’ll only be more motivated to vote for the next jester who’ll turn your country into even more of a dumpster fire.
And if nobody in the entire country can buy a healthcare policy, then the insurance companies go out of business, and need to be replaced by something else. Presumably, that something else would be a system designed to provide health coverage to people, like every other civilized nation in the world except for us has.
Sadly, this won’t kill the insurance companies - they just won’t sell to anyone but employers (and the government - insurers make a ton off Medicare Advantage).
…and Hillary.